lifes2short
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well I'm very happy with my CSE's and 100 yard swimming certificate , my girls often take the p1ss out of my secondary school leavers certificate and the teacher comments
So many brilliant points made. If I was to summarise what I think I heard: the academic difference isn’t really material on average and there’s probably nothing private tutoring can’t offset. The main difference is more about the facilities, more varied level of activity and probably a better and more supportive environment to develop self confidence.
I am clear abt the draw backs as well - regardless of the financial implications.
No decision has been made yet - and this post has definitely made the wife think twice about it. At this stage, we really want our kids to be happy wherever they end up going... and it isn’t guaranteed that they’ll love the new school more.
I also think that a 3 and a 5 yo might not be the best person to tell you which of the school they are happier in - beyond how they just felt that day
the academic difference isn’t really material on average
Rockits - your post really resonated with me.We have been through this exactly and kids are now 9 & 11 with my son just about to come out of private education into a decent local state school. I live in Bell Bar, near Brookmans Park so might be local and happy to meet up for a chat if it will help no problem.
All my family forever were working class and went to poor to average state schools. Myself, my younger brother and old sister all went to the same junior and senior state schools which were OK and plenty decent enough. Our junior state school options were poor so we decided after visiting the school he is at now that my son would go there. It is by far the best decision we have made and he has had a really good start. It has been an amazing school, he has loved it and many teachers hold him in very high regard. I know he would not be the boy he is now if he had attended a different school. It was perfect for him and more than worth the cost. In summary great VFM at this level. Fees were £4k moving to £5k per term at the end year this year.
My daughter is 2 years younger and goes to a very good local private school and again has had a really good start. Very similar to my sons experience and the results, costs and VFM will be the same or very similar.
Now the kicker. My son is 11 now and although his current school (although he has his last day tomorrow morning) runs to 13 we have him moving out of private education and into a very good local state school. For a really 5 key reasons.
One....we didn't find a private school that seemed to fit for him or was as the obvious or natural choice.
Two....the fees ramp up so Haileybury for example would be £7.6k per term for a lower school boarder and £12k for a senior boarder per term.
Three....many kids I see aren't developing a strong fight or hunger in these private senior schools. They have lives that are TOO comfortable and all is too easy. We now want our nice kids to toughen up a bit and learn how to fight (not physically btw!) for things and develop a desire/hunger for things. They will need this in the real world andwill come across others who will have this in spades.
Four....I am not a supporter of full board at this age. I didn't become a parent to not parent my children or hardly ever see them. We will loase them partly in some years to come so want to spend as much time as we can to help, love care and support them.
Five....with the ramp up in fees I feel the VFM factor is being lost. It has cost circa £170k out of our net earnings to put the two children through junior school. We have felt although that is obviously a h3ll of a lot of cash that it still gave good VFM for what we have received. I would be very surprised to say the same if we sent them to a private senior school such as Haileybury in that maybe the cost doubles to over £400k for the next step. I doubt expect I would say that £400k would be great VFM.
We also felt unlike others that the start was more important than the middle. It is much harder IMHO to turn a horrible or complex/difficult child into something different as the damage or difficulty is done. You can toughen a a nice kid up but the fundamentals are strong, sound and you have a good starting point.
Each to their own and all are different so you can only take other opinions and experiences on board then make your own decision. Personally for me with junior, senior, 6th form then Uni for 2 kids likely hitting £1m I think that is a crazy amount of money and doesn't represent great VFM IMHO.
My son was the first child in my both our families histories I am aware of that went to private education. We are not wealthy but comfortable (ish) but have just worked hard and taken some calculated risks. Hopefully our kids can mix our hard old school work ethic, morals, with better (much better!) academics to achieve things we have (yet) been able to achieve.
Key for us as well is that again IMHO academia is not everything. Kids should be kids and should enjoy having fun this enjoying life. They should choose to do something that excites them, that they are passionate about and enjoy each working day. With a good start, support and financial assistance from us they will be lucky to have the opportunity to be able to choose this rather than it choosing them. I can't say I have particularly enjoyed my last 25 years it IT/tech. I am not bad at it, have achieved a fair bit and done OK but what could have I achieved if I was able to do something I truly love for 25 years........we will never know and that is I guess my point and also yours too.
It is all about opportunity and having the option to choose.....not having to do. It is then not motivated by money or anything sinister. For me this is the true holy grail. It is also possible this could make you hugely wealthy in many ways as a potential subsequence. Not a bad place to be......I wish and wonder at what that place would have been like......
I'm a decent earner, but I've brought 5 kids up by myself, and it makes me feel woefully inadequate when folks talk about £1m being no problem, I've struggled and still do to be honest, my only asset is me and my brain, if not for that there'd be six of us on scrapheap.
Really pains me to say this but some of you chaps need a wake up call. This is why I am and always will be a socialist, like I said I earn a bit, but I give a bit back too, even though I know it's futile, but I do have to say, I'm am irked by this thread.
Rant over!
Rockits - your post really resonated with me.
Spending time with our kids is crucial to us.
Is the £1m investment good VFM - probably not... and although it wouldn’t be a problem financially for us over the long term as we are both high earners
As of right now, option 2 is definitely where we are leaning towards
I wasn't aiming at anyone in particular, I was probably wallowing in a bit of self-pity, something I tend to do from time to time.I am sorry you feel that way as this thread was not intended to offend or upset anyone.
I am just surprised how judgemental you are when you know nothing about me. You might find this surprising to hear but I am also a socialist and I am giving more than a bit back myself. You might feel this is futile, but I personally don’t - regardless of the amount earned, giving back is the fundamental oil and grease of our society.
I am not going to apologise for having done well for myself, and was only asking for opinions, which I feel I received a lot of deeply meaningful food for thoughts on this great forum.