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Hilts, you said “Ponzi Scheme!”
Do you know what you are letting yourself in for?
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Perhaps, in the Ferrari points context, 'patsy' may have been more appropriate..?
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Perhaps, in the Ferrari points context, 'patsy' may have been more appropriate..?
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I think they will could get to those numbers in 3 or 4 yrs time when the spider and electric version come out, but it will never be a volume car or a big profit centre for them from what I have read. They want to sell 70k+ cars a year so the mc20 will be max 5% of output. Seems they are using it as a halo car for branding to help shift the small suv, new GT etc which they will hope to sell in much bigger volumes.
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Nope a “patsy” is an individual who is blamed for a specific occurrence....perhaps unjustifiably.
A “Ponzi” scheme requires a number of continuing participants to maintain the illusion.
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I'm a bit behind with all this, and only got round to watching the launch and a few YouTube videos last night on a big screen.
I love it!
I love it from nearly every angle. The rear in particular is my favourite, and I think is always the hardest part to get right, so a big from me.
It's got the right amount of hints from previous Maserati models, some of the best lines and curves from other manufacturers yet enough individuality to make it appealing and easily identifiable.
I am disappointed with the sound so far though. I'm sure when on load giving it the full beans it will sound like a jet, but the revving clips and poodling around vids I've seen are lame. Its like it has the heaviest flywheel in the world, that takes an age to drop down the revs. And the exhaust could be more fruity.
I know times have changed though, and the aural beauty of cars is a thing of the past, so I'll enjoy my 'old school' maserati even more now.
I love it!
I love it from nearly every angle. The rear in particular is my favourite, and I think is always the hardest part to get right, so a big
from me.It's got the right amount of hints from previous Maserati models, some of the best lines and curves from other manufacturers yet enough individuality to make it appealing and easily identifiable.
I am disappointed with the sound so far though. I'm sure when on load giving it the full beans it will sound like a jet, but the revving clips and poodling around vids I've seen are lame. Its like it has the heaviest flywheel in the world, that takes an age to drop down the revs. And the exhaust could be more fruity.
I know times have changed though, and the aural beauty of cars is a thing of the past, so I'll enjoy my 'old school' maserati even more now.
Yep I was disappointed with the sound as well. Mind a McLaren 570S started up and drove off next to me the other day and it did not sound interesting. Ditto a 992 that I saw as well. All petrol cars have been materially quietened down by the fitting of particulate filters.
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Buy used and un-cork? It'll be a while before a used MC20 hits the market, mind you. Be interesting to know what an unfettered version sounds like.
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I think the MC20 will need a decat at the very least to make it aurally acceptable to most on here.
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If they don’t, the residuals will fall through the floor like McLaren’s do. I don’t think they should be following anything McLaren do re models and production numbers.
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Fnaar Fnaar. Ooh suits you sir!The rear in particular is my favourite, and I think is always the hardest part to get right, so a big
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Maserati MC20: Here's How We'd Spec It
Now you can build your own mid-engined Maserati MC20 sports car using the company’s online configurator.
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Amazing the difference colour makes
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I agree wholeheartedly with this. An object lesson in upsetting your customers and staff.
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Maserati MC20: Here's How We'd Spec It
Now you can build your own mid-engined Maserati MC20 sports car using the company’s online configurator.
Amazing the difference colour makes
Giallo for me all the way. Great to see the shades in the sunshine.
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Maserati do so much better with risidual values?
Pot, kettle... Black?
Unless you want only 500 units made total and for it to be a unicorn car... That won't make the manufacturer any turnover
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Couple of blue stripes front to back on a white one or vice versa would look good. I expect there'll be a Nostalgia pack along at some point, for us old fogeys. I like it, but I'm relieved it's not so achingly perfect that I'd have to consider swapping my Ghibli for one.
It's a tricky price point, with plenty of choice available. I think it's the Junior Supercar category? If it's limited production like the 8C (500 built), it will be the stand out choice in this category for a while. It won't matter if it doesn't sound noisy or look shouty. I think the myriad of Mclaren, Lamborghini and Ferrari offerings at this level all suffer from (a) having superior same brand cars available nearly new at similar prices and (b) having so many limited edition models superseding the original models.
Nice to see Maserati having a pop. Not very long ago it was all doom and gloom with regards to new models. Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh, just to check if a want should be changed to a need...
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Actually Maserati is a real mixed bag of residuals. The Quattroporte amongst the worst in the UK, particularly the diesel. However the Levante is nearly the best SUV, beating the likes of the Cayenne, RR Sport etc by some way. The Granturismo is also high, beaten by only the Porsche 911 which is classed as a competitor mainly as new purchase prices are similar(ish).
Whereas every McLaren fairs very badly compared to their competitors at Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche etc. In fact, they created part of the problems themselves by i) offering cheap finance deals with a GFV which was too high. That meant that the cars are being handed back at the end of term and aren't worth the amount to clear the finance, which the dealer then has to take a hit on. It also means there is no money left for the customer to use to buy a new model, and that is one of the core reasons that PCP was invented and ii) building so many models that (to most) are the same car. Of course, we know they are not, but the market is confused. They even build "specials" and charge a premium then upset those clients by launching a "more special special" and hurting the residuals of the premium versions. Their strategic plan hasn't worked and some of the reason why is fairly obvious.
And the build quality isn't good enough and the warranty claims are the highest per manufacturer in the UK. Really, they are that high. So high that a used McLaren without an extended warranty drops even further in value as the risk/reward profiles tips too much towards the risk side.
And now they have burned the cash, borrowed from their shareholders and are mortgaging the head office and making 25%, or so, of their staff redundant.
I hope they are saved and survive and I hope they learn. Maserati at least has the benefit of a large group owner who hopefully sees the value in the brand and can support that, With the MC20, it appears that they are trying to do that at last.
Now build us a v8, 4 seater, sub-100k beast that looks like a Maserati should please. Pretty please.
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It is all true @outrun - they have only been doing this for a few years I hope that the next generation of cars are better built. I am told that they have worked on improving build quality quality since the 12C which lets face it was a disaster that will take time to forget
McLaren business model is much like Ferrari now, they build and sell cars to make money for supporting their race teams... F1, Indycar, GT3 racing isn't cheap
Back to the topic - if Maserati build this car properly then why should they limit production numbers if the demand is there?
They want to sell cars, generate turnover for FCA/PSA, support the local economy in Modena and go racing.
It is not a cheap car so it will be exclusive. Carbon tub exotic with over 600bhp costing over £180k will not bottom out at anything too silly surely
McLaren business model is much like Ferrari now, they build and sell cars to make money for supporting their race teams... F1, Indycar, GT3 racing isn't cheap
Back to the topic - if Maserati build this car properly then why should they limit production numbers if the demand is there?
They want to sell cars, generate turnover for FCA/PSA, support the local economy in Modena and go racing.
It is not a cheap car so it will be exclusive. Carbon tub exotic with over 600bhp costing over £180k will not bottom out at anything too silly surely
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The trouble I think Maserati has, is that it relies on us old sentimentals.
The world has changed and has moved on....while they were crying” wolf”.
The sentimentals wanted a V8, which is now only available elsewhere.
As good as it maybe, the Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini options or even Porsche have a far bigger presence in the “new money” table, which is all about cool.
Maserati, isn’t even on the first rung- that’s not to say they can’t get there- it just needs to establish why it’s different and special.
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I’m not sure the V6 is a problem now, just because Ferrari/mclaren still use a V8.
This is because they are all turbo now anyway (apart from the V10 huracan), with emissions gubbins in the exhausts, so to my ears, none of them sound as good as the old school NA V8 anyway. It’s just the way it is now, the new money/instagrammers won’t care, in fact they will probably be all over the electric one when that is released.
I think the MC20 will do very well, Ferrari’s and mclarens, whilst great cars, have got into an odd cycle of bringing out slightly different versions every few months, I’ve lost interest to a large extent. Not that they will be bothered, I’m not about to buy a new one!
This is because they are all turbo now anyway (apart from the V10 huracan), with emissions gubbins in the exhausts, so to my ears, none of them sound as good as the old school NA V8 anyway. It’s just the way it is now, the new money/instagrammers won’t care, in fact they will probably be all over the electric one when that is released.
I think the MC20 will do very well, Ferrari’s and mclarens, whilst great cars, have got into an odd cycle of bringing out slightly different versions every few months, I’ve lost interest to a large extent. Not that they will be bothered, I’m not about to buy a new one!
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Granturismo residuals are outstanding.