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Seems he’s decided to sell after testing the car on a road trip …
Jay Emm’s Gransport
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It's sad that he didn't keep it for a while, it'd have been nice to have some documentation of ownership, also for the popularity of the brand and model. Now, he's basically conforming to the classic stereotypes IMHO...
Also, his reasons for the decision seemed odd:
1) consumption: 20 mpg does not seem insane for such a car, and is well documented so shouldn't be a surprise. Can't imagine his QPV, 550, f12 etc are very frugal. (though this one was supposed to be the daily)
2) gearbox, well he doesn't live in London so why is it such a thing. Also, well documented , and he'd driven multiple GS and 4200s before.
3) Bottoming out. The car seems low, however (a) that can be adjusted iinm, or something in the suspension needs refreshing.
On top, he's not exactly hung on to it for a long time.
Buyer's remorse and trying to justify?
Also, his reasons for the decision seemed odd:
1) consumption: 20 mpg does not seem insane for such a car, and is well documented so shouldn't be a surprise. Can't imagine his QPV, 550, f12 etc are very frugal. (though this one was supposed to be the daily)
2) gearbox, well he doesn't live in London so why is it such a thing. Also, well documented , and he'd driven multiple GS and 4200s before.
3) Bottoming out. The car seems low, however (a) that can be adjusted iinm, or something in the suspension needs refreshing.
On top, he's not exactly hung on to it for a long time.
Buyer's remorse and trying to justify?
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And he is a serial car buyer with a need to generate new content for his videos, so some turnover of the fleet must help that … Anyhow it’s an unfortunate decision when he’s done quite a lot to correct some misconceptions about Maserati; I recall his very fair review of the 3200 AC a while back, which certainly helped to encourage me to buy a 3200.
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To be fair, he makes some reasonable points.
They are thirsty which everyone here will know, it can carry 4, but won’t drive the same.
The bottoming out I was surprised at. I would never straddle a speed bump in mine, because they push the ball joints out and they are expensive. So much better to put one wheel on it, go slow and not grind the exhaust clamps and mass damper off the gearbox.
The view on the FD DBW was interesting.
In any event, if you buy a GS as a daily, you have to be ready for the compromises involved, so at least he is admitting he isn’t.
They are thirsty which everyone here will know, it can carry 4, but won’t drive the same.
The bottoming out I was surprised at. I would never straddle a speed bump in mine, because they push the ball joints out and they are expensive. So much better to put one wheel on it, go slow and not grind the exhaust clamps and mass damper off the gearbox.
The view on the FD DBW was interesting.
In any event, if you buy a GS as a daily, you have to be ready for the compromises involved, so at least he is admitting he isn’t.
I thought he was pretty fair as well. He wanted a daily driver and he found the GS more of a sportscar than he thought it would be.
Not sure why he sold his QP if wanted a 4 seater daily driver with plenty of boot space, but then again I only own one car at a time so fair enough if he wants to chop and change.
I often wonder if these types of reviews are too coloured by the individual setup of the car. He praised the soft ride of the GS, noted that many owners found it a lot harder than he did, then wondered why his one bottomed out with 4 people in. Maybe he just had an abnormally soft suspension setup or a fault.
Equally a lot of people (including him) complain about the CC transmission around town etc. whereas in my 2002 Spyder I seem to have no problems at all (and previously I loved my manual gear change cars).
Not sure why he sold his QP if wanted a 4 seater daily driver with plenty of boot space, but then again I only own one car at a time so fair enough if he wants to chop and change.
I often wonder if these types of reviews are too coloured by the individual setup of the car. He praised the soft ride of the GS, noted that many owners found it a lot harder than he did, then wondered why his one bottomed out with 4 people in. Maybe he just had an abnormally soft suspension setup or a fault.
Equally a lot of people (including him) complain about the CC transmission around town etc. whereas in my 2002 Spyder I seem to have no problems at all (and previously I loved my manual gear change cars).
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After the initial video with this car and the praise and the history chasing it to have it flogged after 2k miles is a bit disappointing. Maybe the car for him was the QPV as it was clearly fitting the description but he let that go too.
Ultimately is content creation for the sake of it enough or people expect a bit more consistency by youtubers? Am I asking too much?
Ultimately is content creation for the sake of it enough or people expect a bit more consistency by youtubers? Am I asking too much?
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It’s all about creating content for the channel … that’s king over any logical purchase decision. Hoovies Garage reigns!
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Maybe, but that is **** contents for the channel as it is almost saying the chap doesn’t know what he is doing. Better content would be keeping it longer and giving a proper long term view.
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Content creation…
Shame it didn’t last longer though!
But can’t see myself driving a Gransport if I has a 550 or F12.
I do think like a lot of cars GS vary a lot from car to car/what a good one is.
I put a fiver on it that another You Tube channel “owns” it for a few months. Dad Cars maybe?
Shame it didn’t last longer though!
But can’t see myself driving a Gransport if I has a 550 or F12.
I do think like a lot of cars GS vary a lot from car to car/what a good one is.
I put a fiver on it that another You Tube channel “owns” it for a few months. Dad Cars maybe?
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I liked the video, but agree with others, that while they do have class-leading space in the back, it's not even as convenient as a small 5-door hatch for hauling people around, so its obviously not going to be good for that in regular use.
Pretty sure the car is lower than stock as well, so hardly surprising if you load it up with stuff it'll be low. Mine is the same.
As for complaining about mpg - one of the highlights of the car is the engine is designed pretty much without compromise for performance (as far as you can for a road car), and is before the era of emissions strangling started holding that back. If you want good mpg, look elsewhere.
Pretty sure the car is lower than stock as well, so hardly surprising if you load it up with stuff it'll be low. Mine is the same.
As for complaining about mpg - one of the highlights of the car is the engine is designed pretty much without compromise for performance (as far as you can for a road car), and is before the era of emissions strangling started holding that back. If you want good mpg, look elsewhere.
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Perhaps he bought it expecting content-generating ‘problems’ to be spread out over several videos; perhaps the car was too good.
However, what I believe is more likely that the algorithm hasn’t been kind to his first few videos - not many people are as interested in a 20 year old Maser as, say, a 911, Ferrari or Beemer - so essentially it would be costing him money with little love from the YouTube gods and the audience - and thus revenue. And to be honest, as a ‘content generator’ myself, I completely understand.
I also echo his thoughts on the suspension - it is rock hard, which was a problem when new (remembering Evo’s UK test) and goes back to the much discussed gestation of the car.
It does make me wonder how much he’d take for it…
However, what I believe is more likely that the algorithm hasn’t been kind to his first few videos - not many people are as interested in a 20 year old Maser as, say, a 911, Ferrari or Beemer - so essentially it would be costing him money with little love from the YouTube gods and the audience - and thus revenue. And to be honest, as a ‘content generator’ myself, I completely understand.
I also echo his thoughts on the suspension - it is rock hard, which was a problem when new (remembering Evo’s UK test) and goes back to the much discussed gestation of the car.
It does make me wonder how much he’d take for it…
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I'm slightly surprised he didn't get above 20 mpg out of it on a road trip, but then I'm making some assumptions about roads, conditions and driving style. I know it's not a direct comparison but my Maserati 3200 does about 15 mpg on my typical mixed urban / B road driving, but on a road trip - at motorway cruising speeds around the national speed limit - I get nearly 27 mpg. I find that level of fuel consumption very acceptable in a performance GT car doing its thing, but then I don't drive around with 4 adults in it and a load of luggage! Jay Emm's expectations seem a bit unrealistic to me ... Anyway, I hope someone will get a good Gransport off him at a fair price, after Sports Italia have been through it.
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I like JayEmm, he’s good egg on the occasions I’ve spoken to him - though I don’t always agree with his opinions (how does a 147 GTA ‘lack torque’?!).
He might have thought he bought a ‘peril’ car from the off - 100k+ mile Masers are usually the stuff of nightmares but we all knew the car to be very good, as he said did he. Perhaps he was expecting a lot of work and content, maybe not. I think he’s more genuine than some contrived YouTubers so I think this is just one that didn’t work out for the reasons he said - though the algo for a Maser (as I pointed out) won’t have been great.
But then that’s the way with project cars on non-project car specific YouTube channels; Harry Metcalfe’s project car videos, according to the man himself, do not generate huge views, but they generate amazing engagement, the complete opposite of his car reviews.
I think if you do the project car route in any format - video or, like me, in editorial - you have to have the ‘narrative’ in place first, rather than do it as you go along. The Matt Armstrong videos - while I’m not into the modding side - are well planned beforehand; otherwise you’d end up with a situation like Chris Harris’s Mondial… whatever happened to that?
Sorry, editorial/publishing ramble there
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I think the project car genre is relevant for a much much smaller share of the generic car enthusiasts group. You need to be in a mode of thinking/ researching to do a similar project in the not too distant future to spend the time. I just think that few people have the means and even fewer would consider it.
I should add that going over the total cost and back and forth that Harry had to go through for his XJ and Zagato coupe scared me comprehensively. The reading at Magneto the legal column that advised on big project and pitfalls pushed further from undertaking a barn-find type of project, ever.