It's official - I'm right !

BL330

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I read with great pleasure today a review of the new BMW 5 series by Andy Enright in the March Issue of Unique Cars Magazine.
He expressed the following points which exactly map the stance I have taken. It's nice to be agreed with, officially.
Under the title - "It's a total tech-fest but is this what you want from a BMW?"
He said - ' Luxury is a trap. What is one generation's luxury becomes the next's necessity"
" The introduction to the vehicle focused on driver assist functions, iDrive inputs, connectivity and drag and drop screen tiles."
"The inference was clear. BMW feels that it can't offer the buying public much in the way of improvements to vehicle dynamics and that electronic do-dads are an easier sell"
" So have we reached a point where rather than buying a car with a computer inside it, we're now buying an entertainment hub that just happens to be able to move under its own power"
He went on to point out some of the tech included - wave hand gesture controls, it listens to your words for commands and there is even an option key fob control to reverse the car back if someone has parked too close. FFS!
" Call me a Luddite if you like but the one feature I longed for was the '1999' button that switched off all the chimes, screens, electronic assists, settings for damper control, adaptive drive, integral steering active steering and head up display, in return for steering that told you what's happening at the front contact patch, a manual handbrake and a reassuring degree of mechanical cohesion" Here, Here!
He also stated BMW is not the only brand he could have chosen for these comments.
Four years ago I chose not spend a shed load of money on a new BMW with tech I did not need or want, but chose a GS instead.
Am I preaching to the converted?
 

Contigo

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No. love the way modern cars drive, so well balanced and steady but the tech is a step too far. Some of it is useful like Adaptive Cruise and Lights etc but all the other stuff is overkill and completely numbs the driving experience.
 

dannywooly

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Its funny you mention this i was chatting with a guy in the pub about all this at the weekend over a beer, basically some of these cars now are just numb to drive and the tricks and toys are just marketing gimmicks. Some have there uses for the target audience like waving you foot under the bumper to open the boot (shopping mums) but most are just not needed.

I may well be entering the exotic market very soon adding to my 2014 335d xdrive a GTS Mc Shift 2008, and i just know that the GTS will have far less tricks up its sleeve but i also know i won't give a dam about it, i'll be too engaged in the drive to really care!

Danny
 

mattjevans

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The problem the "luxury" carmakers have in my opinion is that the Koreans are now quite capable of building vehicles with acceptable to good driving character and all the electronic wizardry to match BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. I have a number of friends who would previously have been natural buyers of German cars and have bought these instead (indeed most have gone from a German car). One of my wife's friends actually sold a new-ish Q5 because she tried her friends Hyundai and thought it was a better vehicle (for her needs anyway).
 

spkennyuk

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I wonder how much a car would cost if you stripped out all of the tech and the increase in mpg too...

Ferrari, Porsche and Aston Martin all offer stripped out hard core versions.

They just charge more for a car which is lighter with no carpets or stereo. :)
 

keith

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I personally like technology, and it's a generational thing. Years ago drivers would have said the same about power steering or electric windows.
In the future drivers will be amazed that we used to have to steer and drive a car at all!!
 

P R

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I noticed an ad (I think it was an Ibiza), anyway the ad spent more time on the charging mat for the iphone, and the fact that the apps appeared on the touchscreen of the car. No mention even of engine size, power, economy etc..
 

Corranga

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I personally like technology, and it's a generational thing. Years ago drivers would have said the same about power steering or electric windows.
In the future drivers will be amazed that we used to have to steer and drive a car at all!!

...and that will be a sad, sad day *runs off to pat Elise, Maserati, 944 and Panda 100hp!!*
Not convinced it's a generational thing though *waves Computer Games Technbology degree* ;)

I noticed an ad (I think it was an Ibiza), anyway the ad spent more time on the charging mat for the iphone, and the fact that the apps appeared on the touchscreen of the car. No mention even of engine size, power, economy etc..
Isn't there a rule / law where they aren't allowed to show spirited driving in adverts or something, or did I imagine that?
 

azapa

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As a Tech nerd I can say the more the cars systems are improved, the easier it is to make even better again. Take the switch from old analogue dials to a digital display: costs 20% of the price of the old analogue units, is lighter, and infinitely customizable. Cars now have a databus and three wires (I am guessing). This replaces a 1" thick loom. Lighter, quicker, less power consumption, easier to install new features on.

I like the way Tesla etc market the huge touch screen as a "wow" when really it is so much easier and faster to produce and develop than old fashioned twiddly knobs and levers.

Long live technology (you don't have to use it all ;) )
 

philw696

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I'm a Dinosaur and proud to be.
The only useful thing for me is Bluetooth in a vehicle for the phone.
An analog dash is a thing of beauty in my eyes.
My​ XJC is just about perfect for me it's got seatbelts too.
The only thing I changed was the stereo but if anyone has an 8 track and tapes I would be happy to take them :)
 

alfatwo

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And when the tech fails the car is scrap!

And bring back wind up windows too, suppose the girlies would moan though

Mostly its the less gifted or lazy drivers who like all the techy stuff...A mate of mine drives a Alfa 4C every day to work and back, Its like a fun 45 minute work out ;)

Dave
 

Swedish Paul

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if the computer bits are manufacturer specific, then costs to fix issues will be expesive. Last year I paid 700 for a module that controlled the central locking, alarms and windows. On a Skoda!! The time has already arrived that main dealers are the only way to fix things. No wonder 'classic' cars are popular. Some spanners, a screwdriver....

Car s.o.s. Won't take a modern car.
 

zagatoes30

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My girls 8 & 9 think it is hilarious that the Giulietta has wind up windows, they think it is so clever they ask why don't all cars have these :)
 

Slowly

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At the risk of sounding like that Monty Python sketch about childhood.. my Renault 4 in the late '80s had windows that slid backwards - no fancy winders in that! The Aston 2/4, our childhood car in which we went to Elba each summer (two days, overnight stop in Switzerland) had no seat belts and we had a pair of cushions to sit on on the rear seats which were a board of, admittedly nicely leather-covered wood, with as far as I recall, some side bolsters. The 1960s garages I have are fine for '60s cars but almost useless now - all modern cars have bloated in size and weight - just look at the modern "Mini" or Fiat 500. When the thread about the Jaguar F type came up I looked at the width of the V8 - the GS is a very tight squeeze but the F type wouldn't fit at all...
However, would I like to go back to a feeble yellow glimmer from the lights, no aircon, no roof... well, I've had a Caterham which was, I suppose the equivalent of a '40s car and it was fun, but I have grown to like many of the modern bits and bobs.
 

Navcorr

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At the risk of sounding like that Monty Python sketch about childhood..

The four Yorkshiremen ??

Nowt wrong with tech. - in the right place at the right time. But tech. for it's own sake can get irritating.
Most will probably see it as progression, although, as per the OP, a kill switch for such gizmos would be nice.
 

alfatwo

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At the risk of sounding like that Monty Python sketch about childhood.. my Renault 4 in the late '80s had windows that slid backwards - no fancy winders in that! The Aston 2/4, our childhood car in which we went to Elba each summer (two days, overnight stop in Switzerland) had no seat belts and we had a pair of cushions to sit on on the rear seats which were a board of, admittedly nicely leather-covered wood, with as far as I recall, some side bolsters. The 1960s garages I have are fine for '60s cars but almost useless now - all modern cars have bloated in size and weight - just look at the modern "Mini" or Fiat 500. When the thread about the Jaguar F type came up I looked at the width of the V8 - the GS is a very tight squeeze but the F type wouldn't fit at all...
However, would I like to go back to a feeble yellow glimmer from the lights, no aircon, no roof... well, I've had a Caterham which was, I suppose the equivalent of a '40s car and it was fun, but I have grown to like many of the modern bits and bobs.


You wimp Slowly... what's wrong with no air con, just manually wind down the windows just like you did in the 70's, it might be fun for your kids too!

Cars in the near future are going back to being lighter and smaller, and with lots less of this techno boll*cks!


Dave










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