I hope no-one on here knows this one....2003 Spyder...:(

[Parisien]

Might be worth checking out......cheapish engines on ebay.....thoughts guys? He's took it to Classic le mans...so maybe someone spotted it?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2003-MASERATI...iewItem&pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item45f411352b


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[lozcb]

No never clocked it there ,and never saw it on the way home broken down altho i came home on the tuesday , to be honest 37k miles , needs another lump worst scenario, thought they had some sort of protection when the tensioner gave way , i would say that 10K is probably spot on for the risk factor , replacement lump £2.5K and £1000 to fit inc new fluids belts etc , and probably worth changing the tensioner for a new one before its installed , then it could be worth a couple of hundred for diagnosis on the original lump just incase its worth rebuilding and selling , but for ease and quick repair ( i would swap out the lumps)


regards loz

 

[conaero]

David Askew would probably do you a deal on the lump with the old one as a PX.

Frightening though, whenever you hear this sort of thing isnt it lads!!!!!!

 

[lozcb]

trouble is the tensioner is a pig to get to , virtuall an engine out job ,bonnet off and or at the very least release all the mountings and subframe and tilt it to gain access , even then it would be dificult to get at , visions of a tech suspended from a chain hoist like a ballet dancer doing his best to keep clear of the paintwork hahah


regards loz

 

[Paco]

I think I'd want a good look at this car before spending £10k on it. I wonder how many revs it was doing when it "made a noise"?

Is a replacement lump really only going to be £2,500??? That surprises me, didn't think they were that common.

Could be a bargain I guess, but if it's an abused car (which we don't know) then it could prove expensive.

 

[conaero]

Paco, you would get a lump for that, David Askew has loads and the engines are usually bullet proof, so cant see much of a demand for used units.

 

[Paco]

Interesting, just a bit of plumbing then! As you say though, Maser engines don't normally let go, so why did this one?? That's why I would need to see the car.

 

[conaero]

Interesting, just a bit of plumbing then! As you say though, Maser engines don't normally let go, so why did this one?? That's why I would need to see the car.

There are always the exception, lets just hope it an isolated incident. I have heard of a couple of 3200's going the same way, the tensioner guide wheels have sheered their castings, resulting in the belt going slack and BANG!!!

 

[safrane]

4200 Engine on fleabay now! 3k

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Maserati-4200...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45f4051c6c

 

[lozcb]

Just up the road from me and even closer to Roger and Masser1 if anyone is interested more than happy to give it an overview


regards loz

 

[Andyk]

That has really suprise me..3.5/3k....would have expected more than double that...It could be a very cheap car if everything stacks up.

 

[lozcb]

That has really suprise me..3.5/3k....would have expected more than double that...It could be a very cheap car if everything stacks up.

Ive seen lower mileage engines for 22 -25 before now on ebay , i think kevin at prestige salvage has one thats done 7000k miles for around the £2500 mark

so yeah could be a cheap car all in , but you need four seats Andy , dont go there Kitchen remember

regards loz

 

[Paco]

Why do you have to bring up the four seats "thing"???

I dunno Loz, here's my box of fireworks, care to take a leak???!!! Ha ha!!!

 

[Parisien]

Anyone get to see this car yet....no bids....4 days to go.

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[Andyk]

Ive seen lower mileage engines for 22 -25 before now on ebay , i think kevin at prestige salvage has one thats done 7000k miles for around the £2500 mark

so yeah could be a cheap car all in , but you need four seats Andy , dont go there Kitchen remember

regards loz

Loz..aleays there to keep me on the straight and narrow.

 

[Gullible]

I have asked the seller several questions about this project
Namely what history it has,what are the list of options did it come with,was it a track day use car etc and did it have the glass rear screen (which it does not as its too early a car )...and as yet i have had nothing in reply after 3 days.
at £10k plus delivery/collection ,£3k for an engine and say £1k to get it fitted,then £1.5k for a full service to ensure all was well plus anything else it may need your going to be the wrong side of £16k for a 37,000 miler with a replacement engine (which for some reason always puts people off unless fitted by the main dealer).
Is this that far from the price of a good early car anyway? for the sake of a couple of grand that you will not get back when you sell it anyway?

 

[lozcb]

I have asked the seller several questions about this project
Namely what history it has,what are the list of options did it come with,was it a track day use car etc and did it have the glass rear screen (which it does not as its too early a car )...and as yet i have had nothing in reply after 3 days.
at £10k plus delivery/collection ,£3k for an engine and say £1k to get it fitted,then £1.5k for a full service to ensure all was well plus anything else it may need your going to be the wrong side of £16k for a 37,000 miler with a replacement engine (which for some reason always puts people off unless fitted by the main dealer).
Is this that far from the price of a good early car anyway? for the sake of a couple of grand that you will not get back when you sell it anyway?

OOhh i feel a sense of negativity there Adam , reminds me of the war film with Donald Sutherland as a tank driver , remove those negative vibes man , being one that has several times been on the plus side of projects like this , you do have to go in with some positivety and your eyes wide open , if you jump in with negativety then your almost doomed before you start


regards loz

 

[Gullible]

Not negative persae Loz... but i cant see how a saving of at best a couple of grand on a car that has had a replacement engine could be viable.
after all you have to tell any potential buyers that its had a new engine and this will make them think "oh,its a problematic car by the sounds of it"
I can understand you need to be posative about restoration projects but i think if you go in "all guesses blazing" you are going to find that you didnt save anything at all.
The seller is not really telling us anything about the car or what its been used for or how well looked after it was.
No history ...no real detailed images...just the scenario of the fault and a starting price...
Its too close to a "normal" cars price once you have done the work surely?

I guess what i am saying is that at £17k with a new engine fitted for an early car with the older chassis,gearbox and plastic rear screen i would not be in the market for it.
Buyers are also becoming aware that the later glass rear screen cars are better than these early ones and as such the 2002 cars will fall into a lower price bracket as being slightly less desirable.
Cold hard facts of life loz...demand dictates price.

sorry if i appear to be a little negative...i see it as being pragmatic.... and armed with all the facts i can then make a better decision.
There are a lot of unanswered questions here...

 

[Parisien]

Yeah...looking at the figures....its not in quite the same league Loz as a cosmetic cat D refurb.................ie ...for 2/3K input.....its value is quite a bit more especially if you do the work yourself or are in the know.....for this its...5/6 K really....and not the same value at all after................

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[lozcb]

Not negative persae Loz... but i cant see how a saving of at best a couple of grand on a car that has had a replacement engine could be viable.
after all you have to tell any potential buyers that its had a new engine and this will make them think "oh,its a problematic car by the sounds of it"
I can understand you need to be posative about restoration projects but i think if you go in "all guesses blazing" you are going to find that you didnt save anything at all.
The seller is not really telling us anything about the car or what its been used for or how well looked after it was.
No history ...no real detailed images...just the scenario of the fault and a starting price...
Its too close to a "normal" cars price once you have done the work surely?

I guess what i am saying is that at £17k with a new engine fitted for an early car with the older chassis,gearbox and plastic rear screen i would not be in the market for it.
Buyers are also becoming aware that the later glass rear screen cars are better than these early ones and as such the 2002 cars will fall into a lower price bracket as being slightly less desirable.
Cold hard facts of life loz...demand dictates price.

sorry if i appear to be a little negative...i see it as being pragmatic.... and armed with all the facts i can then make a better decision.
There are a lot of unanswered questions here...

I see this a bit simpler guys , providing the home work is done first re history etc , where's the 17K come from ,

£9/10K for the car, delivery £175 ish , new engine with £7k miles £2.5K installation at an indie £1K max £300 for a fluids and filter change whilst its on the ramp , so for around £14K and minimum repair and problems time off the road , you could have a straight car ,

Admittedely certain things like collecting the engine and or parts i would organise myself, but for a car for oneself definately worth a ponder , you could run it for a year or two and still get your money back , , whats wrong with being honest when selling , i find prospective buyers if told the truth from day one , and that means the advert , dont have a problem with the honest plain facts , so tellem the chain tensioner broke , and that it was cheaper to fit an exchange engine rather than to get into rebuilds, sort of buyer you will attract by the honest advert will understand that ,

These dodgy scenario's only come to light when dishonesty is involved , so be honest from day one , its not rocket science

regards loz