highway code changes

allandwf

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Surely if a cyclist carried out a thorough risk assessment then they would not dare to venture out on the road! Wouldn't be allowed in industry ;)
 

GeoffCapes

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No idea where you getting your figures from. Simple google search indicates that 61% of cyclists do not have insurance to cover theft of their bikes let alone insurance to cover accident damage or injuries to other parties.

Pedalsure according to their research suggest the figure for 3rd party insurance is around 15% of the 12 million cyclists.

How many kids bikes are insured for 3rd party damages is anyones guess at a percentage.

As I said above.


I can only speak for myself and those in the cycling club I am a member of.

If you are a British Cycling registered club, then you have similar cover a car would, accidental damage, injury etc.
The clubs seem to be the ones getting the most stick and they're the ones who are the ones who comply with all that the angry motorist wants!


So now you want kids to have insurance for their bikes?

Do you realise how ridiculous your argument now sounds?
 

spkennyuk

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As I said above.


I can only speak for myself and those in the cycling club I am a member of.

If you are a British Cycling registered club, then you have similar cover a car would, accidental damage, injury etc.
The clubs seem to be the ones getting the most stick and they're the ones who are the ones who comply with all that the angry motorist wants!


So now you want kids to have insurance for their bikes?

Do you realise how ridiculous your argument now sounds?

I think you missed the point Geoff

QUOTE="GeoffCapes, post: 908742, member: 3791"]
Most cyclists are also insured. No one pays road tax. It's an emissions tax now.
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Most cyclists are also insured ? Are they ****

My comment about kids bikes being insured was merely to demonstrate how far off the mark you quote that most cyclists are insured was.

Still if you want to back peddle and ignore the facts go ahead you have right of way no matter what the safest and sensible thing to do is.

What was ridiculous was your statement that MOST cyclists are insured which you based on not a hint of actual compiled data.

If you have any data available that shows most cyclists are insured then please share it.

I would of thought as a start to having all cyclists insured for the roads / 3rd party cover any new bikes sold should come with say 5 years insurance cover based on the frame number which also covers the bike if it is sold on.

That way even kids bikes can be covered as no doubt they will have a new bike within 5 years. Stolen bikes involved in crime / muggings and the like if less than 5 years old would also be covered.

Not a fool proof method but better than no insurance or 15% uptake of insurance at the moment.

The challenge would be making sure bikes older than 5 years old are insured and remain insured going forwards.

Ps. It was not my argument. I merely asked where you were getting your figures from. What i got was a ridiculous reply and no supporting figures. :as001 (2):;)
 
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philw696

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Who would have thought cycling could get so emotional on the forum especially with the clicky clacky footwear and lycra clothing too.
How many of you shave your legs ?
They certainly do here in France.
 

Wack61

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I've seen a few comments on Facebook saying the new rule on allowing pedestrians to cross the road as you're turning is causing confusion , it seems the driver who stops is the only one that knows what's going on , this will only lead to more rear end shunts if indicating left drivers start stopping before the turn

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GeoffCapes

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I've seen a few comments on Facebook saying the new rule on allowing pedestrians to cross the road as you're turning is causing confusion , it seems the driver who stops is the only one that knows what's going on , this will only lead to more rear end shunts if indicating left drivers start stopping before the turn

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That in turn would mean that the driver behind wasn't paying attention. And the shunt would be his/her fault.
 

safrane

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I've seen a few comments on Facebook saying the new rule on allowing pedestrians to cross the road as you're turning is causing confusion , it seems the driver who stops is the only one that knows what's going on , this will only lead to more rear end shunts if indicating left drivers start stopping before the turn

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Thinking back to when I passed my test... I am sure this was the rule then (86)
 

midlifecrisis

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Who would have thought cycling could get so emotional on the forum especially with the clicky clacky footwear and lycra clothing too.
How many of you shave your legs ?
They certainly do here in France.
Does that include balls? How many of them stop at legs...
 

Gooner

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Living in London, I’m grateful if the driver even indicates to turn left when I am waiting to cross a side road.

I’m a driving cyclist or a cycling driver - my annual mileage is about the same these days. I know that there are plenty of cyclists that take the P and don’t realise that they are only surviving on their time trial because of the trail of drivers left in their wake who managed to avoid them or brake in time.

Equally, I don’t quite get the hostility from some to cyclists in general. It’s not that different from owning a classic car - totally impractical, always something else to buy and plenty of dodgy branded clothes if that’s your thing. But we do it because we love it.

One thing this thread has persuaded me to do is get some third party bike insurance.
 

Wack61

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Thinking back to when I passed my test... I am sure this was the rule then (86)

I think it used to be if they'd started crossing , now it's if they're waiting to cross , fine in that example but many streets have cars parked close to corners so other drivers may not see pedestrians so wouldn't be expecting you to stop

That in turn would mean that the driver behind wasn't paying attention. And the shunt would be his/her fault.

I know they say driving too close etc but in the real world people indicate and go round corners not stop on main roads at junctions