F1 pump and clutch problems

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Dear all. Hoping for some advice please.

I have a 4200 GT 2005, had no problems. Broke down on way to work with engine light and gearbox warning lights flashing. Car wouldn't turn on so got it to Matthew at Giallo who has dealt brilliantly with any probs/servicing etc thus far.

He has run diagnostics and 2 faults that come up are F1 gearbox pump and clutch (80% worn). Matthew tells me that the car is now running fine without issue, but he has said that if the pump is failing it could go at any time, and with the clutch so worn his advice is to change F1 pump and clutch. On top of this the car is due a 56000mile service. So i'm looking at 4k bill. Matthew is looking to see if he can get this down a bit.

The rear brakes are also wearing thin, and i don't think i'll get through mot next year withour replacing - so that's another grand at some point.

Guess my question is, has anyone had similar problems? My concern is whether i should cut my losses and sell car, as i don't want it to be one thing after another now, haemorrhaging money into it. The car is otherwise in excellent condition and I love her.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

P

 

[allandwf]

I would get it fixed. Not much point trying to sell, unless you adjusted the price accordingly, then the outcome should be the same financially.

 

[conaero]

Mathew is correct but if your clutch has made 80% and is not slipping and your issue was pump related, I would personally run it till it fails, unless your planning foreign trips. The reason for this is, that certain cars break their clutch cover spring tangs, yours is one of the lucky ones that does not appear to do this so with the remaining clutch life its quite reasonable to get another 20k miles out of it. Zag did in my Spyder I sold him with 78% wear, it ran fine for a couple of years before it needed replacing.

If you replace the clutch with new parts, the clutch spring tangs could then fail at between 10-20k miles.

Definitely take Mathews advice on the pump, and also the relay but Mathew will do this as a matter of course.

If it aint broke, don't fix it!

 

[safrane]

To be honest the faults are wear and tear and one of the few downsides of ownership... ie the cost.

Get your name down for forum brakes at less than £400 for all the corners.

F1 pump can be substituted with an Alfa part at 1/4 the cost.

Clutch is going to be at least £1400 but you may need other parts whilst its off such as the thrust bearing, position sensor, spigot bearing and fly wheel replacement or re dressing.

You will get some of that outlay back if you sell, but not all... but selling with issues will hit you very hard.

 

[CatmanV2]

To sort of echo. Get the pump done (and swap the relay). It's quite quick and simply, and the Alfa pump is identical and much cheaper. There's no labour saving to doing the pump and clutch at the same time, so may as well use the last 20%
Forum brakes
Job done

C

 

[safrane]

Whilst I respect that the clutch could last another 20k, if yoi have decided to sell most buyers will expect to knock the price of a clutch if they know its at 80% gone...I would.

 

[CatmanV2]

Whilst I respect that the clutch could last another 20k, if yoi have decided to sell most buyers will expect to knock the price of a clutch if they know its at 80% gone...I would.

Oh indeed. If he's selling up, get the clutch done, or make it clear that you're knocking it off the price

C

 

[Contigo]

Got to love this forum. Of course he will say the clutch needs doing!

 

[Spartacus]

Keep the clutch in till it fails as Matt said . Your new clutch could expire in the same time . That is the lottery of the 4200 clutch .


All dealers want to replace your clutch . ££££££££££££

" Got a wobble in my steering " "Yeah you need a new clutch mate "

 

[Gp79]

My clutch was 75% worn 2 years ago, it's still going fine now.

 

[Mr.Cambio]

I think life is simple:If you plan to keep the car, then go for pump and relay first. If you want another one, then maybe you have to sell it at a lower price. but i believe, that no one buys a Maserati thinking that keeping and maintainance are 0 pounds of cost.

 

[CatmanV2]

Just to chip in again. Matthew is being perfectly reasonable (I feel) in suggesting a clutch at 80% should be replaced, or at least consider replacing it. None of us would buy a car with 80% clutch wear without at least budgeting to replace it almost immediately. In fact there are plenty here that wouldn't even consider a long trip in a car like that. It all depends on your personal inconvenience perception.

C

 

[conaero]

Just to chip in again. Matthew is being perfectly reasonable (I feel) in suggesting a clutch at 80% should be replaced, or at least consider replacing it. .

C

Yes he is.

 

[Wack61]

Just to chip in again. Matthew is being perfectly reasonable (I feel) in suggesting a clutch at 80% should be replaced, or at least consider replacing it. None of us would buy a car with 80% clutch wear without at least budgeting to replace it almost immediately. In fact there are plenty here that wouldn't even consider a long trip in a car like that. It all depends on your personal inconvenience perception.

C

If it were more than a computerised guess I'd agree but who says it's 80% worn , the company that made the diagnostic machine that tells you that you need to give them £1500.

Mine will get replaced if and when there's a problem with it so I'd agree with Matt, fix it when it's broken

 

[conaero]

You also have to remember that the clutch wear indicator is notoriously inaccurate. You may have more (or less) remaining than is indicated.

 

[zagatoes30]

Pump and relay a few hundred quid, do the clutch when it starts slipping or missing gears. As Mat said mine ran for nearly 2 years before it need replacing although it did chew an actuator in between.

If your selling do the clutch it will add value and help resale

 

[CatmanV2]

If it were more than a computerised guess I'd agree but who says it's 80% worn ,

Just about everyone that offers an opinion on the 'What do you think of this car I'm thinking of buying' thread.

Of course it's a guess, but I don't think there's a single person on here that would say to a prospective buyer with an 80% worn clutch 'Yeah go for it, it'll be fine'

C

 

[D Walker]

Pump and relay a few hundred quid, do the clutch when it starts slipping or missing gears. As Mat said mine ran for nearly 2 years before it need replacing although it did chew an actuator in between.

If your selling do the clutch it will add value and help resale

Made no difference to value of mine.

 

[Contigo]

It would help resale!

 

[CatmanV2]

It would help resale!

Certainly make the sale easier, I'd have thought

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