do you have an EX you really miss (car)

BenzDriver

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I didn't mean it was at all bad, far from it, they're excellent. Just that they're nothing like the older cars. I've not driven a 991 yet but expect to fully agree with your description of it being watered down further. This is why the GT versions have become more and more revered.

Yeah I know what you're saying fella, the 991 sounds great, turns in sharper, harder and with much less understeer than the 997 the brakes are much better too, but there's no feedback of any form through the wheel the old one used to talk to me in a sense. So it takes some large trouser organs to find out that its so much better as it gives you no indication what so ever...
But the 7 speed manual is sloppy and horrible,
upside is i did at one point see over 30mpg while at..Some speed. The car is physically wider but you get used to that pretty quick. The dash sits higher in the 991 too meaning you really can't see the front end like you can the 997 and I remember the rear pillars being huge, then there's the button for everything panamera layout....
Had I not of had the experience of the 997 im sure of of loved It. But for me Id take a 997.2 all day long in c2S manual form I agree possibly the best daily sports car
 

Andyk

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C2S was one of the most all together car I think I have driven...Does everything you need from a sports car and can be used everyday..Porsche does this so well....
 

c4sman

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I miss my Boxter S (fun at sensible speed), my Griffith 500 (raw motoring and the noise!), Golf R32 (feel good motoring with a baby mas soundtrack).

On the 991 topic this is a copy of my post on another forum after doing back to back 991 vs 997 drives. Note the Granturismo exhaust reference!

Engine
In isolation my 7GTS has a very responsive engine with an amazing top end, but it simply cannot live with the 1GTS which has a simply electric (no pun intended) top end that is simply unbelievable. The 1GTS really moves the game on and although both engines really sing and punch again above 6500 rpm the 991 definitely goes harder. The unfortunate thing on the 991 is the gearing which is just silly. I started getting frustrated by how limited the opportunities are to rev the thing out with 2nd gear heading above 75mph (obviously a guess as I never hit this sort of speed....).

Then there is the sound. My PSE sharkwerks equipped 7GTS sounds pretty good and grumbles like a good'n on the overrun with a bit of help from a light throttle, but the 1GTS popping on overrun in sport plus mode rivals a Maserati Granturismo for exhaust drama which takes some doing. It is laugh out loud hilariously spectacular. After a few hundred miles however, it started to feel a little synthetic and I'm not sure the machine gun act really suits the car. A good laugh however, and you can switch it off. The engine / intake sound inside the car is also epic.

Handling
Electric steering is much lighter than the 7 and deadly accurate allowing millimetre placement of the car, but offers no feel of what the tyres are doing. The thing is, I am not sure you need to bother knowing what the tyres are doing as all they do is grip grip and grip some more. Getting back into the 7 and the steering much weightier, which initially feels like weight not feel, but as you push beyond grip levels (which unlike the 1GTS is possible on the road), lots of feel starts to filter through telling you what is going on and to me making it a lot more “funâ€.

Interior
991GTS interior is a class above my 7 which feels old school after the 1GTS. Just a lovely place to be but it feels like a much bigger car than 997 from the inside. Refinement is amazing and the sports adaptive seats are the most comfortable I have ever experienced. My two previous 997 turbos had the old sports adaptive but cannot compete with the 991 thrones. My 7GTS sports seats are great but I would love the flexibility of these ones fitted to this particular 991. The 1GTS does feel a bit to luxury to me for a sports car and I sometime thought I could be sitting in a nice Merc or BMW and I concluded that although a lovely place to be, it lacked a bit of character.

Exterior
To me 991s looks much bigger than 7s when you pass them on the street, but once on your driveway it seems much closer to the 7 size wise. All black 20 inch turbo s centrelock wheels are impressive but the looks of my 997 with centrelocks hold its own in a smaller but very classic style. One unusual thing that I did notice was the lack of weight in the 991 doors and bonnet. They are still 100% solid but you can tell they are lightweight aluminium (I think). Having had two 7 Turbos, I can always notice the difference between 997 door material which is a bit geeky but I find the turbo doors make a more satisfying noise when the close than the steel standard ones. I wish they had gone another step and fitted these to the 7GTS to save a bit of weight.
Back on topic, overall, I love the looks of both the 7 and 1 GTS.

Verdict
The 1GTS is not as remote as I thought it would be and is definitely fun. I would have loved to have a had a manual 1GTS for the 24Hrs to make it a true like for like test, but I concluded that although both cars are amazing, on the roads I use, the lower limits and interactive steering of my car make things more interesting more of the time. I also prefer the old school, more intimate surroundings, but wouldn't say no to dropping a 991 lump in the back of it! What I would say is that anyone I doubt anyone who owns a 991 GTS is going to complain about it any time soon. It's a great car.
 

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Not so much a supercar or anything remotely significant is a Renault 12 estate in white. My dad owned it for 15 years or so, and I basically grew up in it. It was a family car, work horses and many a camping trip was had in it carrying my Dad, Mum and four kids to New Forest or Canterbury from Manchester during the 70's. It's probably scrap now. God bless you WNC 997 L.

No I'm not crying, just something in my eye...
 

halbe01

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I'm starting to miss my 4200. It doesn't feel right that there is no V8 of any kind on my driveway at the moment. Give me 6 months and I expect I'll buy another. Or maybe a GT Sport...

Hello everyone by the way. Long time no see!
 

spkennyuk

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Not so much a supercar or anything remotely significant is a Renault 12 estate in white. My dad owned it for 15 years or so, and I basically grew up in it. It was a family car, work horses and many a camping trip was had in it carrying my Dad, Mum and four kids to New Forest or Canterbury from Manchester during the 70's. It's probably scrap now. God bless you WNC 997 L.

No I'm not crying, just something in my eye...

It's gone to car heaven :( The tax ran out in September 1984. Gone but not forgotten.
 

SJX

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Good thread and now I've wasted enough time reminiscing on past vehicles here are my thoughts. Would I buy an old Ford RS or V6 Capri or mk1 Xr2? Yes, do I miss them, not really.
I had an Alpine Renault for 15 yrs and couldn't bear to sell, so I gave it to my daughter, who spent many happy drives going sideways and mostly backwards. Would I buy another, No.
The one vehicle I need to re visit is probably the one I found the most fun, you may laugh, but I'm told the villages around Lincolnshire could hear for miles. A 4.0 Jeep Wrangler TJ with full stainless exhaust and K&N induction kit and many homemade parts, made our Cayenne GTS seem economical, why is the Cayenne still here and the Jeep gone!
Apart from Maserati the only other car I could never part with is the Clio V6, I would add the bike but it's going on eBay this weekend.
 

Claes

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My Lotus Excel SE,Alfa 75 3.0 V6,BMW M535i(e28),Alfa 164 Q4,Citroen DS,Alfa Romeo Alfettas,Alfa GTV6,Subaru Legacy 3.0 spec B ...these are the ones i miss the most.
 

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I'm starting to miss my 4200. It doesn't feel right that there is no V8 of any kind on my driveway at the moment. Give me 6 months and I expect I'll buy another. Or maybe a GT Sport...

Hello everyone by the way. Long time no see!

Hi Ben, welcome back. Is it a quick visit or are you staying around?
 

conaero

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I'm starting to miss my 4200. It doesn't feel right that there is no V8 of any kind on my driveway at the moment. Give me 6 months and I expect I'll buy another. Or maybe a GT Sport...

Hello everyone by the way. Long time no see!


Ah, young Ben with the battery car, hows that going?

Have a look at a GS next, they really are that good and prices will start going up soon.
 

Wack61

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Not so much a supercar or anything remotely significant is a Renault 12 estate in white. My dad owned it for 15 years or so, and I basically grew up in it. It was a family car, work horses and many a camping trip was had in it carrying my Dad, Mum and four kids to New Forest or Canterbury from Manchester during the 70's. It's probably scrap now. God bless you WNC 997 L.

No I'm not crying, just something in my eye...

I sat in the back of corsair at a classic car show and got all emotional thinking about trips to Cornwall in the late 60s in one.

I saw a Volvo 245 identical to one my dad had and saw him sitting in it smoking his pipe

When I was 18-19 they went to jersey for a week flying from Cambridge airport , we lived in Kettering at the time so I drove the Volvo back

I'd never driven an auto before, on leaving the airport I approached a junction and instinctively went for the clutch , except I hit the brake and stopped dead

I heard this screech behind me , in the mirror I saw the face of impending doom as this guy managed to stop about 2 inches from the back of it

Cars bring back a lot of fond memories
 

halbe01

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I pop back in now and again to get an Italian fix! The Tesla forums are a similarly nice place to hang out these days but it does annoy me a little every time someone claims any car with an engine is a dinosaur. I still like dinosaurs! Particularly V8 ones...

The Tesla is proving to be an extremely good car. It's reliable, pretty enough, large (a bit too large really), and surprisingly fun to drive round corners (despite weighing 2.1 tonnes - it has 50:50 weight distribution and a very low centre of gravity). And it's still exceptionally fast. It's slightly annoying that 6 months after I got mine they announced all new cars would have auto-drive hardware installed, and that it's not retrofittable. (The technology isn't turned on yet - they're doing it slowly over time with over-the-air software updates - currently it does adaptive cruise control and that's about it). Also slightly annoying that mine is no longer the fastest Tesla - my circa 4 second 0-60 time is dreary compared with the 3.1 and 2.8 seconds of the very latest ones. I'd have bought one of those if I could, but upgrading now and hence taking a big depreciation hit on mine isn't worth it. Still a great car though. When it's 3 years are up as a company car I expect I'll sell it to myself and keep it a while longer.

Back on thread - I always regretted selling my old E39 535i. First 'fast' car I bought, though 7.1seconds to 60 isn't that fast these days. I kept it for 6 years, then sold it for £2200 because I needed the cash. If I could find it again I'd pay them that any day of the week to get it back. But I suspect it no longer exists. It was on 150k when I sold it 6 years ago. Great car, and in great condition.

PS Matt - there's a nice looking GS I keep eyeing up at Autoficcina for £28k, but every time I pop in there I end up talking about buying an investment Ferrari and never get round to actually doing anything!
 

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There was a Tesla S on the British Sports Cars area at LeMans this year, nice looking car and the owner must have had a laugh bipping the alrm from a distance when we were looking at it..!! Why it was at the British area..???
 

GeoffCapes

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I only miss two cars, neither of which were a great drive.
My XR3i Cabriolet, purely because the two years I had it, it was so much fun being 21 with a cabrio, the girls loved it back then!
And my Alfa 147 2.0 TS as I bought it when I left my now ex-wife. So much freedom, it was like being 21 again!
 

safrane

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Same here GC... My Mk1 Golf Cabriolet that I sold last year...could not justify having 3 cars and not driving any of them...Its now up for sale after the k n o b who bought it from me on the pretence of keeping it with the rest of his collection sold it on...now asking 3x what I sold it to him for.
 

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Not so much a supercar or anything remotely significant is a Renault 12 estate in white. My dad owned it for 15 years or so, and I basically grew up in it. It was a family car, work horses and many a camping trip was had in it carrying my Dad, Mum and four kids to New Forest or Canterbury from Manchester during the 70's. It's probably scrap now. God bless you WNC 997 L.

No I'm not crying, just something in my eye...

I learnt to drive in a 12TL and have quite a soft spot for it. Well-mannered handling, good brakes and lovely ride.