Coupe prices - what's happening?

[safrane]

Sadly far too many of the 32/42/GS and GT stock here in the UK is in poor condition.

Poor maintenance, poor parts availability, high prices of basic parts, cheep to enter but not to maintain, and missed maintenance etc just add to the issue.

I maintain my GS religiously even when my milage is at time only in double digits. Some will say that's a waste of money, but it is the only way you will maintain its perceived value and saleability... skimp and they loose more than you saved in the first place.

If my GS is worth >£20k I will be pleased but in todays cost of living crisis I doubt it. But then it's not for sale.

I'm also looking for a GT...and most of the sub £30k cars need c20% + of there 'value' spent agin to make them safe.

The one above was a higher mileage poorly maintained basic 4.2 at action... are we realy surprised it only made that much???

 

[boomerang]

Gauging values of 4200/GS in the US don't think there is more appreciation over there than here, so can't see why this wouldn't apply to the 3200 which visually is very similar.

Correct.
That is why some traders here are tempted to buy from there. But as soon as usa gransports are offered here, they are between the cheapest available. Odometer in miles and those side reflectors are part of the "problem".

 

[williamsmix]

Gauging values of 4200/GS in the US don't think there is more appreciation over there than here, so can't see why this wouldn't apply to the 3200 which visually is very similar.

The 3200 is only superficially similar, apart from the far more attractive boomerang rear lights. The engine and transmission are entirely different; the last of the classic Maserati bi-turbo engines with a proper gearbox and separate diff vs the modified "Ferrari" engine and F1 transaxle in the 4200, with the rather unattractive rear lights. The 3200 also kicks out a bit more bhp than the 4200 and that Ferrari's marketing dept. admitted to, for reasons of their own ... Maybe I'll invest in the best LHD 3200 I can find and put my theory to the test!

 

[Mattmaser]

Look how the bi turbo range of cars have risen.
I think GS’ s will appreciate over time, but you’ll likely spend more maintaining it than it rises !

 

[urquattrogus]

The 3200 is only superficially similar, apart from the far more attractive boomerang rear lights. The engine and transmission are entirely different; the last of the classic Maserati bi-turbo engines with a proper gearbox and separate diff vs the modified "Ferrari" engine and F1 transaxle in the 4200, with the rather unattractive rear lights. The 3200 also kicks out a bit more bhp than the 4200 and that Ferrari's marketing dept. admitted to, for reasons of their own ... Maybe I'll invest in the best LHD 3200 I can find and put my theory to the test!

Whilst I agree, now that I’ve felt the balance and poise of the Gransport I ain’t going back

 

[spkennyuk]

Cu

The 3200 is only superficially similar, apart from the far more attractive boomerang rear lights. The engine and transmission are entirely different; the last of the classic Maserati bi-turbo engines with a proper gearbox and separate diff vs the modified "Ferrari" engine and F1 transaxle in the 4200, with the rather unattractive rear lights. The 3200 also kicks out a bit more bhp than the 4200 and that Ferrari's marketing dept. admitted to, for reasons of their own ... Maybe I'll invest in the best LHD 3200 I can find and put my theory to the test!

Curious where your getting the 3200 kicked out more BHP than any of the 4200 incarnations. All the stats i have seen puts the 3200 at around 365 BHP and the 4200s at 385 / 395 and 400 BHP. Depending on which source you get the data from and which version of the 4200/GS.

The way the power is delivered in the two cars is chalk and cheese. If you want wild horses the 3200 is a great choice. 4200 / GS is a bit more linear in the way the power is delivered but still a fun car to drive.

 

[williamsmix]

Here’s one source, although I think this fact is generally recognised and accepted(?)…

 

[safrane]

Urban legend - Just like the vast majority of these re-maps that state you will see xx more if you spend this on our service.

Put the cars on a long road and see how they perform side by side... and remember power is nothing unless you can control it... and the car will start!!!

 

[williamsmix]

Urban legend - Just like the vast majority of these re-maps that state you will see xx more if you spend this on our service.

Put the cars on a long road and see how they perform side by side... and remember power is nothing unless you can control it... and the car will start!!!

You mean like this?

 

[safrane]

Yes, but not by plebs who can't get off the line without lighting up the tyres, and both cars as factory.

You would also need to do 30-60, and all the other tests like timed laps with a consistent driver.

 

[allandwf]

Cu

Curious where your getting the 3200 kicked out more BHP than any of the 4200 incarnations. All the stats i have seen puts the 3200 at around 365 BHP and the 4200s at 385 / 395 and 400 BHP. Depending on which source you get the data from and which version of the 4200/GS.

The way the power is delivered in the two cars is chalk and cheese. If you want wild horses the 3200 is a great choice. 4200 / GS is a bit more linear in the way the power is delivered but still a fun car to drive.

That's it, stats, they were played down in the day. Many 3200s chuck out around 400bhp, but controllable maybe not lol. especially when the turbos kick in around 2800rpm ish.

 

[jluis]

I have been toying with the idea of buying a convertible BMW 650 and the prices on those cars are ridiculously low. Even saw an E64 M6 with the V10 engine for under 30k …

 

[muttit]

Looking back at some period road tests the 3200 was nowhere near as quick as a 4200

 

[allandwf]

Looking back at some period road tests the 3200 was nowhere near as quick as a 4200

Ask yourself why there are no Fiorano track times recorded.

 

[DaveT]

Anyway, what IS happening with Coupe prices?

 

[williamsmix]

Ask yourself why there are no Fiorano track times recorded.

The car was tested at the Varano Circuit by Ivan Capelli. I have seen some data on this somewhere but I can’t find it, only a reference in an old Auto Italia which states that the Auto was only 0.8 sec per lap slower than the Manual…Does anyone have any more details?

 

[jluis]

Here’s one source, although I think this fact is generally recognised and accepted(?)…

That guy mixes the 3200 and the 4200 engines when he says that Ferrari built an engine based on the 3200 when in reality the 4200 engine was a joint development between Maserati and Ferrari, if not entirely Ferrari.

 

[Gp79]

Yes, but not by plebs who can't get off the line without lighting up the tyres, and both cars as factory.

You would also need to do 30-60, and all the other tests like timed laps with a consistent driver.

360 sounded beautiful.

Sadly far too many of the 32/42/GS and GT stock here in the UK is in poor condition.

Poor maintenance, poor parts availability, high prices of basic parts, cheep to enter but not to maintain, and missed maintenance etc just add to the issue.

I maintain my GS religiously even when my milage is at time only in double digits. Some will say that's a waste of money, but it is the only way you will maintain its perceived value and saleability... skimp and they loose more than you saved in the first place.

If my GS is worth >£20k I will be pleased but in todays cost of living crisis I doubt it. But then it's not for sale.

I'm also looking for a GT...and most of the sub £30k cars need c20% + of there 'value' spent agin to make them safe.

The one above was a higher mileage poorly maintained basic 4.2 at action... are we realy surprised it only made that much???

do understand where you’re coming from, but at the end of the day you’re buying a +10yr old car not new so expect condition to be inline with that.
Clutch, brakes, suspension, corrosion, paint etc etc will be inline with that age unless recent spend. They are old cars as well now like the 32/42/GS

 

[safrane]

When I was looking for my first Maser back in 2006, most of those that were for sale already had rusty bodies or scratches.

Thankfully my GS still looks like a 2 year old car and is pampered to stay that way.

 

[trevorrevver]

Here’s one source, although I think this fact is generally recognised and accepted(?)…

I'm not sure I agree with Matt Lucas in this video. When we were developing the Cosworth RS500 and Sapphire 4x4 we quoted the power with a charge air out of the intercooler of 60C as this was the maximum seen in testing at the Nardo test track in Italy. Of course, driving around in cooler weather and Not at sustained high speeds meant a much lower temperature coming out of the intercooler into the inlet plenum and, as a result, a higher engine output. A similar effect on the 3200 would lead to it exceeding its official horsepower.

Jluis is right. BMW 6 Series cars are also very cheap for what they are, I guess for the same reasons as the Maseratis.