Cars and penises. Bad news

MarkMas

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Felonious Crud said:
It's not an aspersion. It's a scientific study. A research paper.

I detect some sensitivity...
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I'm not sure it is a good scientific study. I'm no statistician but when I just glance at the scattered dots of the 200 results, I think you have to work pretty hard to draw any conclusions at all, whatever statistical significance manipulation you manage to perform. This is just a preprint, and I would be surprised if it makes it through peer review and into a reputable journal.
https://psyarxiv.com/uy7ph/

Chart from article:

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MarkMas

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GeoffCapes said:
Ok then. Forget about your ‘whataboutism’.
Why is it acceptable to cast aspersions on someone’s manhood, just because they drive a fast car?

The point about fat women was purely for example. But you knew that.
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A fair point. Since you ask, I guess it is about three things: vulnerable classes & level of oppression, plus, yes, whataboutism.

Making a general claim (scientific or otherwise) that a group of men with a particular (invisible) characteristic may sightly prefer a certain type of car is both a broad 'attack' on a class of people who are, relative to the non-mentioned class 'privileged', and not typically oppressed, and quite a mild 'attack' on an invisible characteristic. But to mention that an overweight woman is unhealthy is a specific and personal attack on a visible characteristic of someone who is, relative to the non-mentioned class 'less privileged'.

But what is more concerning is how common it is that when someone says 'people of type A are generally X' where A is privileged and X is negative, it prompts people of type A to respond, "Ah yes, but what about, 'people of type B are generally Y', where B is less privileged and Y is a worse criticism. Conversely if someone says 'people of type B need 1' where B is less privileged and 1 is good, it prompts people of type A to respond, "Ah yes, but why don't people of type A get more 1"? And this kind of faux-victimhood is very damaging to any attempt to improve the status of less-privileged classes.

And additionally, this sort of whataboutism is usually accompanied by 'but I'm not allowed to says this.' Actually you are allowed to say it, and people do all the time. But it does mean that occasionally a virtuous, pious, priggish keyboard-warrior nerd like me will feel the need to challenge it. At length.
 
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MarkMas said:
A fair point. Since you ask, I guess it is about three things: vulnerable classes & level of oppression, plus, yes, whataboutism.

And additionally, this sort of whataboutism is usually accompanied by 'but I'm not allowed to says this.' Actually you are allowed to say it, and people do all the time. But it does mean that occasionally a virtuous, pious, priggish keyboard-warrior nerd like me will feel the need to challenge it. At length.
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It's all the rage over here: bothsidesism and whataboutism. And yes...drives me round the bend when when someone starts with, "I'm not allowed to say [x]..." then proceeds to say [x], thereby demonstrating that you can, absolutely, say [x]. Although you probably shouldn't. And it would be best if we can get to a world where people don't even think [x]...but I am a huge fan of Sign Theory. In which, if at all possible, I would prefer someone be upfront about their racism/classicism/whatever, just so I can know where they stand rather than having to guess...
 
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That’s the reason I don’t buy a Ferrari, as a wearer of XL pants already I wouldn’t be able to buy a pair big enough.
 
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Wack61 said:
Me too
I was 16 in 1977, listening to whatever was in the charts or played on the radio, a mate lent me Peter Gabriel's first album and it changed my life, I'd found the music I love today, progressive rock

The only thing that winds me up in the prog groups on Facebook and how stuck in the past they are, like the only prog worth listening to ended on 31/12/1979

It's not fashionable today to say you like genesis, Pink Floyd maybe, they seem to still be acceptable

Some prog I listen to reguraly
Steven Wilson
Porcupine tree
Gazpacho
Riverside
Airbag
Bruce sorn
Anatheum
Dream Theatre
Lunatic soul
Opeth
The pineapple thief
Tim Bowness
Bjorn riis
Bruce soord

Any my latest non prog folk rock group
First aid kit
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Never heard of any of them!
 
DLax69

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Love post-PG Genesis
Love Yes (early and late)
Love, love, love Steely Dan (think they are tangential to convo)
Over Pink Floyd (at this point) though still love Gilmour
Never, ever, ever got into Led Zep...though Page and Plant apart from each other are quite good
 
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MarkMas said:
A fair point. Since you ask, I guess it is about three things: vulnerable classes & level of oppression, plus, yes, whataboutism.

Making a general claim (scientific or otherwise) that a group of men with a particular (invisible) characteristic may sightly prefer a certain type of car is both a broad 'attack' on a class of people who are, relative to the non-mentioned class 'privileged', and not typically oppressed, and quite a mild 'attack' on an invisible characteristic. But to mention that an overweight woman is unhealthy is a specific and personal attack on a visible characteristic of someone who is, relative to the non-mentioned class 'less privileged'.

But what is more concerning is how common it is that when someone says 'people of type A are generally X' where A is privileged and X is negative, it prompts people of type A to respond, "Ah yes, but what about, 'people of type B are generally Y', where B is less privileged and Y is a worse criticism. Conversely if someone says 'people of type B need 1' where B is less privileged and 1 is good, it prompts people of type A to respond, "Ah yes, but why don't people of type A get more 1"? And this kind of faux-victimhood is very damaging to any attempt to improve the status of less-privileged classes.

And additionally, this sort of whataboutism is usually accompanied by 'but I'm not allowed to says this.' Actually you are allowed to say it, and people do all the time. But it does mean that occasionally a virtuous, pious, priggish keyboard-warrior nerd like me will feel the need to challenge it. At length.
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I was never very good at algebra.
 
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