Can a warm garage cause sticky plastics

lozcb

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Seems after a winter wrapped in its newly built centrally heated garage the Gransport has developed the sticky plastic syndrome :oops: .......... whats that all about lol , do we have a company out there that rectifies this as in taking the car in and they remove fix and replace ....or is it the case I have to remove and send the affected items off , getting lazy in my old age and i'd rather give the job to someone else who is more than capable
 

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Seems after a winter wrapped in its newly built centrally heated garage the Gransport has developed the sticky plastic syndrome :oops: .......... whats that all about lol , do we have a company out there that rectifies this as in taking the car in and they remove fix and replace ....or is it the case I have to remove and send the affected items off , getting lazy in my old age and i'd rather give the job to someone else who is more than capable
 

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Seems after a winter wrapped in its newly built centrally heated garage the Gransport has developed the sticky plastic syndrome :oops: .......... whats that all about lol , do we have a company out there that rectifies this as in taking the car in and they remove fix and replace ....or is it the case I have to remove and send the affected items off , getting lazy in my old age and i'd rather give the job to someone else who is more than capable
Paul at Revolve Automotive will do, worth the travel.
 

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It's just time and unlikely to be anything to do with a nice warm garage, nor UV (I had a pair of italian cycling sun glasses go that were in a bag at the back of a cupboard and untouched for 10 or so years). And a fellow 4200 owner had his go really quickly too.
 

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I’ve heard Roland @ Sticky Plastics briefly mentioning cleaning products being the likely cause…
Roland did mine. Great job he does too….
Very possibly but in my defense m'lud i can honestly attest that now on my third Masser none have ever been treated with any cleaning products whatsoever in my ownership, never had the problem with my previous two , but ive only had this present one for 3 years so im suspecting it might be an age thing as bits are falling off me and discolouring all the time now
 

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Very possibly but in my defense m'lud i can honestly attest that now on my third Masser none have ever been treated with any cleaning products whatsoever in my ownership, never had the problem with my previous two , but ive only had this present one for 3 years so im suspecting it might be an age thing as bits are falling off me and discolouring all the time now
It’s not cleaning products. Never cleaned buttons and stuff on either the 360 or the GT, but both have gone sticky.
 

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Cheers Dicky , I'll explore that once she's properly out and re fettled for spring , any ideas of cost for the entire lot
Depends what the ‘entire lot’ is; buttons? Air vents? Steering wheel cowling? Etc etc. Rest-assured he doesn’t rip people off and is incredibly good value for the quality of his work and time spent on each car.
 

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Planning to get my GS to them later this year.

I have managed to replace most items with new ones, but a lot are NLA.
 

3hcp

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quote from Revolve automotive below,
slightly cheaper from Roland

You have 3 options;
- £995 if you want me to remove the units and disassemble.
- £895 if you remove the units yourself.
- £795 if you sent the buttons removed from the units (i.e you remove and disassemble).
 

dickygrace

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quote from Revolve automotive below,
slightly cheaper from Roland

You have 3 options;
- £995 if you want me to remove the units and disassemble.
- £895 if you remove the units yourself.
- £795 if you sent the buttons removed from the units (i.e you remove and disassemble).
What’s the quote for? Just the centre unit on a 4200 Spyder? Paul can do the whole interior including vents, heated seat controls, ash tray, steering wheel cowling, door handle inserts, stalks etc etc. This is why he will quote individually per job.
 

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I’ve heard Roland @ Sticky Plastics briefly mentioning cleaning products being the likely cause…
Roland did mine. Great job he does too….
I wasn’t especially convinced either…
Given the grief finding a ‘solution’ that can tackle the goo and remove it, I d have to say that if cleaning products are partly to blame, you won’t see the deterioration for some time. Time isn’t much of a descriptor, obviously. It’s time and exposure..but to what, who knows?
It’s a pita to deal with. Thankfully, Roland’s product isn’t vulnerable to the same problems. It would be daft if it were. And it feels amazing..probably the most surprising aspect. I have a whole new appreciation for what they were trying to do with it....
 
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3hcp

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What’s the quote for? Just the centre unit on a 4200 Spyder? Paul can do the whole interior including vents, heated seat controls, ash tray, steering wheel cowling, door handle inserts, stalks etc etc. This is why he will quote individually per job.
That’s just the centre unit which is the fiddlier part. I have tackled the simple surfaces with goo gone and thinners which removes the sticky stuff but will leave the complicated bits to the professionals.
 

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What’s the quote for? Just the centre unit on a 4200 Spyder? Paul can do the whole interior including vents, heated seat controls, ash tray, steering wheel cowling, door handle inserts, stalks etc etc. This is why he will quote individually per job.
Does he remove all down to the clear plastic, paint white, then black and laser cut the logos?
.. or does he just ‘clean them up’?
 

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Does he remove all down to the clear plastic, paint white, then black and laser cut the logos?
.. or does he just ‘clean them up’?
Hi guys (Paul rEvolve speaking)

Bebs just for the sake of being totally clear I do a total mixture of techniques to get what I think is the best result for the job at hand.

So sometimes I'll clean down to the white, recoat black and laser cut back to the white (Roland I think always strips right back to clear). Reason for this is the white is usually solid as a rock on some of the bits (most bits in the case of a 4200) so I don't see the point in disturbing it. On some vehicles the white also cleans off or isn't in the best fettle so I'll repaint white and layer with black then cut back with the laser.

In some instances I'll clean the goo off and reseal it with a clear polyurethane coating (an example would be a Ferrari 575 climate unit I've just done that was absolutely perfect underneath and IMHO it was better to reseal than strip off and try to replicate extremely complex designs that an industrial grade laser deck has done previously).

I've had a nice friendly chat with Roland and we definitely have different techniques, different lasers, different products etc. His work looks absolutely fantastic as does the Czech outfit (although I think Roland is less convinced by their product).

All I can say is I try my absolute best and my reputation is quite literally my most prized achievement......I'm in no hurry to tarnish it. If you were to have a problem then I need to know about it rather than you being out there unhappy with my work - no one is ever asked to pay before they see the finished product (unless it's a postal job). The product I use is similar to that used in the leather industry (polyurethane). It's an extremely expensive product and complies with industry rub standard, is flexible and is finished with a satin polyurethane clear sealant.

I'm very comfortable stripping down Maseratis/Ferraris (and any car come to that) having worked on literally hundreds of them over the last decade, so I'm also happy to offer that service.

Quickly......why does this happen. The OEM product is defective. That's ultimately what it comes down to. Heat definitely affects it, solvents affect it, cleaning solutions definitely do not help. But it's in my opinion a combination of factors along with an inherently defective product from the off. Probably some sort of plasticiser in the coating (that's been used by the supplier to Maserati) that's not working as it was intended.

Long and short is you've got options - Roland is fantastic, Czechs seem to make a good living from it so you'd assume they're pretty good and I'd like to think I'm turning out a really good product - but all 3 of us use different techniques and different products and methods. Additionally I am happy to strip the car and store it inside at my unit (in Chester) where it is insured and safe.

Any questions you can just drop me a line 07739755078
 

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Hi guys (Paul rEvolve speaking)

Bebs just for the sake of being totally clear I do a total mixture of techniques to get what I think is the best result for the job at hand.

So sometimes I'll clean down to the white, recoat black and laser cut back to the white (Roland I think always strips right back to clear). Reason for this is the white is usually solid as a rock on some of the bits (most bits in the case of a 4200) so I don't see the point in disturbing it. On some vehicles the white also cleans off or isn't in the best fettle so I'll repaint white and layer with black then cut back with the laser.

In some instances I'll clean the goo off and reseal it with a clear polyurethane coating (an example would be a Ferrari 575 climate unit I've just done that was absolutely perfect underneath and IMHO it was better to reseal than strip off and try to replicate extremely complex designs that an industrial grade laser deck has done previously).

I've had a nice friendly chat with Roland and we definitely have different techniques, different lasers, different products etc. His work looks absolutely fantastic as does the Czech outfit (although I think Roland is less convinced by their product).

All I can say is I try my absolute best and my reputation is quite literally my most prized achievement......I'm in no hurry to tarnish it. If you were to have a problem then I need to know about it rather than you being out there unhappy with my work - no one is ever asked to pay before they see the finished product (unless it's a postal job). The product I use is similar to that used in the leather industry (polyurethane). It's an extremely expensive product and complies with industry rub standard, is flexible and is finished with a satin polyurethane clear sealant.

I'm very comfortable stripping down Maseratis/Ferraris (and any car come to that) having worked on literally hundreds of them over the last decade, so I'm also happy to offer that service.

Quickly......why does this happen. The OEM product is defective. That's ultimately what it comes down to. Heat definitely affects it, solvents affect it, cleaning solutions definitely do not help. But it's in my opinion a combination of factors along with an inherently defective product from the off. Probably some sort of plasticiser in the coating (that's been used by the supplier to Maserati) that's not working as it was intended.

Long and short is you've got options - Roland is fantastic, Czechs seem to make a good living from it so you'd assume they're pretty good and I'd like to think I'm turning out a really good product - but all 3 of us use different techniques and different products and methods. Additionally I am happy to strip the car and store it inside at my unit (in Chester) where it is insured and safe.

Any questions you can just drop me a line 07739755078
Excellent Dicky , much appreciated to put minds at rest