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Small rant... Having spent at least 12 hours per day for the last 8 out of 9 days in and out of A&E I have noticed one thing. The waiting rooms have been MASSIVELY less busy than normal. There is a major health emergency going on and suddenly everyone can manage to deal with their little booboo themselves. Whilst I, as a paramedic, am extremely grateful for this, please as a nation get a grip and realise this is what you should have been doing anyway for years. You would have saved the NHS literally billions of pounds, so once this **** is over please continue to be a brave little soldier and deal with these non-emergencies yourselves!
 
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D Walker said:
I hope this is seen by all those people who said, we can’t do that, when the Chinese built a hospital in 4 days.
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That’s an empty exhibition hall Dave with loads of partitions. Would be harder to set up a flower show. They will just have beds in there , volunteers and plastic partitions. No high level care. The Chinese built a physical hospital and installed ventilators and high dependency areas. I love the British spirit though! They are opening up exhibition centres and sports stadia all over the country for overflow.
 
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iainw said:
That’s an empty exhibition hall Dave with loads of partitions. Would be harder to set up a flower show. They will just have beds in there , volunteers and plastic partitions. No high level care. The Chinese built a physical hospital and installed ventilators and high dependency areas. I love the British spirit though! They are opening up exhibition centres and sports stadia all over the country for overflow.
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I think the plan is for oxygen (huge tanks are on site) and therefore ventilators (once our great British engineers have made them).
 
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iainw said:
That’s an empty exhibition hall Dave with loads of partitions. Would be harder to set up a flower show. They will just have beds in there , volunteers and plastic partitions. No high level care. The Chinese built a physical hospital and installed ventilators and high dependency areas. I love the British spirit though! They are opening up exhibition centres and sports stadia all over the country for overflow.
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Iain, I think your observation is perhaps a tad over simplified! They have to rig up oxygen lines, power lines, local lighting, heating and water supplies ( plumbing sinks etc) to each cubicle etc. and equip with beds, ventilators, resuscitation equipment etc....so I suspect its quite a bit more involved than youre suggesting. If they can do all of this by end of next week I will be impressed but the Army are used to doing stuff like this in a warzone.
 
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Silvercat said:
Iain, I think your observation is perhaps a tad over simplified! They have to rig up oxygen lines, power lines, local lighting, heating and water supplies ( plumbing sinks etc) to each cubicle etc. and equip with beds, ventilators, resuscitation equipment etc....so I suspect its quite a bit more involved than youre suggesting. If they can do all of this by end of next week I will be impressed but the Army are used to doing stuff like this in a warzone.
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After that they then need to find the Doctors and nurses to run it....now that might be a bit trickier!
 
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Scaf said:
I think the plan is for oxygen (huge tanks are on site) and therefore ventilators (once our great British engineers have made them).
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Oxygen very different from ventilators. I can almost 100% guarantee there will never be ventilators there for a myriad of reasons - most importantly - there won’t be staff to man them. Very specialised skill set both nursing and medical wise. You don’t just hook them up. Even experienced anaesthetists can’t man a ventilator with significant confidence. Being on a ventilator is a totally different ball game to having an oxygen mask from a cylinder you can have at a local church fete.
 
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Contigo said:
From a Nurse.

Small rant... Having spent at least 12 hours per day for the last 8 out of 9 days in and out of A&E I have noticed one thing. The waiting rooms have been MASSIVELY less busy than normal. There is a major health emergency going on and suddenly everyone can manage to deal with their little booboo themselves. Whilst I, as a paramedic, am extremely grateful for this, please as a nation get a grip and realise this is what you should have been doing anyway for years. You would have saved the NHS literally billions of pounds, so once this **** is over please continue to be a brave little soldier and deal with these non-emergencies yourselves!
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Anyone who turns up drunk in A&E should either be refused treatment or charged for the full cost of any care they get.
 
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Silvercat said:
Iain, I think your observation is perhaps a tad over simplified! They have to rig up oxygen lines, power lines, local lighting, heating and water supplies ( plumbing sinks etc) to each cubicle etc. and equip with beds, ventilators, resuscitation equipment etc....so I suspect its quite a bit more involved than youre suggesting. If they can do all of this by end of next week I will be impressed but the Army are used to doing stuff like this in a warzone.
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Of course- extending the oxygen lines etc will be difficult but do-able with some extra hours. I am not saying it isn’t a crucial and worthwhile thing- just saying it’s it’s uncomparable to what they did in china. I can’t see the internal structure from these photos. Unlikely Ventilators will be in there(see above)- although I may be wrong. If they do need ventilators in there then it will be a catastrophe worse
Then Italy. I would expect them to be placed in hospitals first - this will essentially be extended ward space.
 
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Silvercat said:
After that they then need to find the Doctors and nurses to run it....now that might be a bit trickier!
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Exactly. Have heard it will mainly be manned in the main by volunteers (again may be wrong)- but that will need very selected patient groups and no ventilators that’s for sure!
 
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Exactly. Have heard it will mainly be manned in the main by volunteers (again may be wrong)- but that will need very selected patient groups and no ventilators that’s for sure!
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Would they be planning to use it for non virus patients to free up beds in actual hospitals?
 
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Would they be planning to use it for non virus patients to free up beds in actual hospitals?
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I don’t think so- I think they expect these areas to be filled with virus patients. So much elective and even urgent surgery has been cancelled they have almost emptied hospitals. If it doesn’t hit as bad as expected then yes it may be used to house non virus patients before repatriation. I have to be honest- I am not going to pretend to be an expert on these new locations - I am concentrating on the in hospital set ups - just observations based on what would be logical.
 
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