4200 spyder [engine warning light ]

[paul edwards]

hi, just started my 4200 spyder after 6 months ! been on battery conditioner .every thing working fine but engine warning light stays on ? when I turn off battery then turn it on again the light goes out when the engine starts !but the next time I start it the light stays on again.any ideas. paul

 

[BennyD]

Take it to your local Indy and get them to have at look at the stored faults. There are a lot of things which light the CEL, some serious, some trivial and we would merely be guessing at which one it is without an ECU interrogation.

 

[2b1ask1]

Benny has hit the proverbial nail, could be many things, they don't like not being used, could just be the cats need cooking with a road service, could be damp in t'letrics or it could well be the fuel is breaking down (6 month shelf life only with unleaded)...

Probably nothing a good thrash won't sort, it will help you to remember just how good it is anyway

 

[Parisien]

Paul, do the simple checks.....

1. Battery......absolutely in top order?
2. All connections, tight, rust/debris free, earths all sound?
3. Check fluid levels....difficult if engine needs to be warm to check oil with engine running...(guys?)
4. Check relevant relays all well seated/corrosion free.
5. Do a battery reset, leave off for 20 mins


If still same.....take her to an indie as Ian says



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[Chrisbassett]

See if you can grab an OBD2 and check what codes are in there while the light is on. It may be something innocuous. I get secondary air system codes come up occasionally but it doesn't seem to cause issues...I may need to have the hoses or pump looked at at some point.

 

[conaero]

See if you can grab an OBD2 and check what codes are in there while the light is on. It may be something innocuous. I get secondary air system codes come up occasionally but it doesn't seem to cause issues...I may need to have the hoses or pump looked at at some point.

Andy who bought my Spyder gets the same error Chris. I suspect its a rusted air pipe that runs round the front of the engine...nothing serious.

 

[zagatoes30]

See if you can grab an OBD2 and check what codes are in there while the light is on. It may be something innocuous. I get secondary air system codes come up occasionally but it doesn't seem to cause issues...I may need to have the hoses or pump looked at at some point.

Chris my Spyder is currently in Emblem to get this fixed as well as a quick check up before Le Mans, as Matt says the pipe across the front is thought to be the culprit s they corrode underneath but I will let you know what they find.

The error always clears on a battery reset so it is unlikely this is the issue here.

My advice is get a reader and see what the error is for peace of mind at least.

 

[Chrisbassett]

I have a reader, the error is insufficient flow in secondary air system, either a leak or a faulty pump. It's not always there but fairly frequent in returning eventually.

I'll ask the Autoshield guys to take a look, but they have never worried before.

 

[zagatoes30]

I have a reader, the error is insufficient flow in secondary air system, either a leak or a faulty pump. It's not always there but fairly frequent in returning eventually.

I'll ask the Autoshield guys to take a look, but they have never worried before.

Chris these are my errors

P1443 unknown manufacturer code
P0411 secondary Air Injection incorrect flow detected

The unknown error identifies a secondary air flow issue on the left bank which is why the pipe from right to left is the main suspect. As with yours mine throws the error once every 10 days or so and always within 5-10 minutes of start from cold.

 

[conaero]

I have a used air pump off a 4200 if anyone needs one but I think they are only £100 new from memory.

 

[Chrisbassett]

My codes are :
P0491 and P0492...

Secondary Air Injection System Insufficient Flow on banks 1 & 2 - one error per bank.

They have been there on and off since the second week of ownership, both Giallo and Autoshield have told me not up worry, but to get it investigated at some point.

Maybe now is the right time!

 

[zagatoes30]

Issue identified on my car a s a hole in the air pipe between the right and left bank so it should be an easy fix

Decision now is do I change the clutch. Wear is showing 85% bit the PIS has logged an error as out of tolerance. Emblem suggest it should be fine and if I was not planning any pan European trips they would suggest leaving it until it fails.

However Le Mans is in June so do I risk it or do I just bite the bullet and get it replaced. Worse case seems £2k plus VAT assuming clutch, flywheel & bearing need replacing. Even if they don't now it might be worth doing replacing everything whilst they have it in bits - decisions decisions

 

[conaero]

I suspect that the clutch in said Spyder is the original one. When I bought it, it was showing 75% and that was at 37k miles.

If its running ok and not slipping I would leave it. If it starts to slip then you can get home no bother, the issue you want to be aware of is the collapsing clutch cover spring fingers or tangs as they are known.

They are not going to go due to clutch plate wear. When they go, it always seems to be prematurely, like at 10-15k miles.

Of course, the decision is yours but I think I would get another year out of it and replace it next year.

The out of tolerance bit might be due to me winding the PIS point down to 4.2.

REMEMBER, DO NOT LET ANYONE RE UPLOAD ANY GEARBOX SOFTWARE ON THAT CAR.....IF YOU GET ME???

If the clutch changes nice and precisely, leave it I say.

 

[zagatoes30]

Matt that is my gut feel. There is no clutch slip just the odd neutral selection on upshifts probably 3 times in the last 2 months. Some pondering I think

 

[Chrisbassett]

Glad you got rid of the annoying airline issue! On the clutch, my feeling is you'll make it to Le Mans, ruin what's left during some exuberant driving on/around the circuit, make it back and then get it changed.

 

[conaero]

Matt that is my gut feel. There is no clutch slip just the odd neutral selection on upshifts probably 3 times in the last 2 months. Some pondering I think

Well, I was not aware that it was going in to neutral on some up shifts, that sort of tips the balance but maybe its a hydraulic issue but probably more likely to be the baring. If you do change, get them to fit the Hills Engineering bearing, its the same price but supposed to be a lot better/reliable.

 

[paul edwards]

THANKS to every one for there input ! paul

 

[zoros]

Wow - now this thread is what I call - superb. Must give all 32/4200 owners a warm fuzzy feeling that they can fall back on this sort of feedback. Hope the GT threads have the same pedigree if needed!

 

[2b1ask1]

Issue identified on my car a s a hole in the air pipe between the right and left bank so it should be an easy fix

Zags, is this the metal pipe and did they just replace it or is it another part?

 

[zagatoes30]

Zags, is this the metal pipe and did they just replace it or is it another part?

It is the metal pipe and they are replacing it with a new one, £360 plus VAT

Decided to leave the clutch until later in the year as they have found that the pipe from the CC reservoir has split which is being replaced.