Todd's 2003 Spyder GT (re)build thread

[todd.the.submariner]

It says 05-07. So I’d bet on it not having thermocouples. The description is: Valid for F1 - Not for USA, CDN and RHD.

I found it on google, the P/N is on Scuderia Car Parts.

Yep, found the detailed receipt from the original engine purchase in the crate. Build complete on 30 May 2007, checks with 2005-07, non F1, USA/Can. As expected. You seemed to have found valid for F1, so perhaps it works for both.

Follow on question is really, is there a comprehensive list of differences somewhere just to make sure we don’t miss anything as we swap what we can physically see as differences (such as the wiring harness)?


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[Zep]

Follow on question is really, is there a comprehensive list of differences somewhere just to make sure we don’t miss anything as we swap what we can physically see as differences (such as the wiring harness)?


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Doesn’t look like it I’m afraid. As is the way with these things you have to piece it together from different sources.

 

[zagatoes30]

As is often the case when trying to fit a different engine to a modern car slight differences in looms and connections are not unusual as upgrades over time and options can add and remove connections. Unfortunately often the only way to find out these differences is checking where the similarities are and then looking at the differences one by one and working out how they can be overcome. Good luck with what might be a easy or difficult challenge but starting with a good engine is a big plus you don't want to do all this work to find the engine is a duff.

 

[Ebenezer]

Please can someone take the time and explain to the less informed what the differences mean, with regards to "with or without thermocouple" etc..?

Eb

 

[Zep]

Please can someone take the time and explain to the less informed what the differences mean, with regards to "with or without thermocouple" etc..?

Eb

Early 4200s had a temperature sensing thermocouple to measure exhaust gas temp, which is used to determine the function of the catalysts. For later cars they deleted this and used the lambda probes.

 

[todd.the.submariner]

While we're in there, looks like a complete new clutch is needed. Going to attempt to resurface the flywheel as those are NLA (and expensive), new clutch disk, and throwout bearing, as that has a slight leak. Nothing a few thousand $ can't fix (!), but may as well get it all fixed up right while it's all open. Will add clutch pics later.

 

[Church of Noise]

Seems we're in the same boat (is that an expression in English? it is in Dutch...) mate...

Keep us posted, and keep going - it'll be worth it in the end!

 

[CatmanV2]

is that an expression in English

Yes

C

 

[DLax69]

Yes

C

Although Todd's boat sinks, not floats.

 

[CatmanV2]

Although Todd's boat sinks, not floats.

Oh that's a good point! Whatever sinks your boat is not a phrase in English. Can't say for Leftpondian

C

 

[DLax69]

 

[CatmanV2]

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Best three out of five!

Had a school dinner a few years ago to celebrate the Lunar new year. We were ordering by numbers on the menu E5, C7 etc.

And at the same time myself and my senior instructor turned to each other....

C

 

[2b1ask1]

Oh that's a good point! Whatever sinks your boat is not a phrase in English. Can't say for Leftpondian

C

How about “Whatever refloats your boat?”

 

[todd.the.submariner]

Although Todd's boat sinks, not floats.

Optimally... the number of surfacings equals the number of dives, so the saying works both ways.
Now some Dutch sayings, like "remember who pumps your Polder" don't quite translate.
You all are bringing me some nostalgia. 20 years ago, I was on an exchange program with the Royal Netherlands Navy, posted in Den Helder, for the Perisher submarine command course. This also included extensive time in the UK - which may be why I gravitated toward this group. Lovely people all around.

 

[lozcb]

Unfortunately I'm in the USA, so the density of knowledgeable communities isn't quite the same as the UK... which is why I engage this group more than the ML group. You've helped me work through many a repair in past on my previous Coupe'.
The engine from eBay is brand new, in the box, so there's no donor car VIN to pull. And the part number for the crate engine appears to be a one-size-fits-all part number, that must have been configured as part of delivery with the externals such as the ignition wiring harness differences that I found.
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Looking forward to Monday to learn more with the mechanic. Shop's closed up over the weekend, so all we can do until taking another look is hypothesize, unless someone here has a list or reference for what the different f136 options were for 2002-2007, so that we know we have found *all* of the relevant parts to cannibalize off my current engine.

Best of luck Todd , hopefully the nerd in Matt maybe able to help you out on that one

 

[lozcb]

Seems we're in the same boat (is that an expression in English? it is in Dutch...) mate...

Keep us posted, and keep going - it'll be worth it in the end!

as in , in for a penny in for a pound

 

[CatmanV2]

"remember who pumps your Polder" don't quite translate.

Meaning seems pretty clear, though!

C

 

[DLax69]

Meaning seems pretty clear, though!

C

...but what if one does not have a Polder?

 

[CatmanV2]

...but what if one does not have a Polder?

Then he who pays the piper calls the tune!

C

 

[todd.the.submariner]

Return of the Spyder!

Took delivery of the Spyder today from my local Indy shop. New engine, resurfaced flywheel, new clutch, and a compadre on ML swapped me the obnoxiously loud Quicksilver pipes for stock mufflers so I can start the car without making enemies.

Here are a few pics of the engine from the tear down, just confirming it was indeed an oil pump seizing up.

Found a few other bits and bobs to fix when I bring it back in after break in.
- rear wheel bearings
- the well known ball joint boots
- solenoid valve in the vapor recovery system

All in all…. Not too terrible. Now I just have to put 500 miles on this beast on the twisty back roads of Washington!

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