This QP price dropping.

Wattie

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Firstly, Let me pin my colours to the mast.

I miss my 4.7 Mc like no other car I have ever owned and I regret not bringing a QPV GTS with me to Oz.
The problem that I think current owners have when it comes to sales is that these desirable cars are now quite ‘old’ and are not blessed with a reputation for reliability. They are niche, marmite.

The other problem re selling, is from Maserati itself.

These are now similarly priced to markedly older Maseratis around - at an attractive price point- with more modern tech/reliably/ warranties etc and less exposure to British weather.

£126k new FSH
Judging by the houses it’ll have been well looked after.



If I were looking for the Maserati experience, with far, far fewer concerns i’d buy one of these.
 
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Phil H

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Firstly, Let me pin my colours to the mast.

I miss my 4.7 Mc like no other car I have ever owned and I regret not bringing a QPV GTS with me to Oz.
The problem that I think current owners have when it comes to sales is that these desirable cars are now quite ‘old’ and are not blessed with a reputation for reliability. They are niche, marmite.

The other problem re selling, is from Maserati itself.

These are now similarly priced to markedly older Maseratis around - at an attractive price point- with more modern tech/reliably/ warranties etc and less exposure to British weather.

£126k new FSH
Judging by the houses it’ll have been well looked after.



If I were looking for the Maserati experience, with far, far fewer concerns i’d buy one of these.
Having run Maseratis for many years, from a 3200 through to a QP VI, I've never been convinced of Maserati's so-called reputation for 'reliability issues'. IMHO many on the secondary market will have been used and abused with little thought given to regular servicing or maintenance, so the marque gets an underserved reputation. I'm sure that if you look at the likes of Porsche you will find just as many problems. It would be interesting to get a professional's take on that though.

Nice selection of cars though Wattie.

PH
 

Wattie

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Having run Maseratis for many years, from a 3200 through to a QP VI, I've never been convinced of Maserati's so-called reputation for 'reliability issues'. IMHO many on the secondary market will have been used and abused with little thought given to regular servicing or maintenance, so the marque gets an underserved reputation. I'm sure that if you look at the likes of Porsche you will find just as many problems. It would be interesting to get a professional's take on that though.

Nice selection of cars though Wattie.

PH
I agree re reliability and that It’s all about perception. Unquestionably, some cars weren’t serviced in accordance with guidelines too- no different to other brands tho?

One things for sure, Maserati did produce delicate, temperamental cars ( I had gremlins on mine, fortunately all fairly minor, water ingress headlights, warning lights appearing then clearing.....moisture?) parking sensors failing, engine gasket replaced) and that is the perception for anyone who does there homework.....battery issues!,, and for many the expensive reality of ownership bites.
Didn’t spoil my ownership at all.

New wealthy Maserati purchasers years ago, cashed up didn’t give a hoot.....warranty sorted things. Depreciation-Pah.

Years later, a second hand V8 with issues (PP £20-£30k could give you a £6/7k Bill.....easily). Look at the cab engine blow ups recently ( rare I know), but I suspect everyone on this forum lives in dread of impending disaster.

Look at the fabulous Bianco Gransport thread on here, HK car, if I’d bought that I’d be facing a divorce. No amount of sales skill would sell that it was a good idea to my Mrs.
Respect to skills.....and probably the most sorted car anywhere when it’s done.

Unfair reputation, yes and no. Others produce far far more cars but have excellent Pr to get over such reliability issues. Porsche.

I ran Porches for years early Boxter S, 2x911’s and a Cayenne Turbo.
The Boxter S was virtually trouble free- apart from sand entering the inlets and unbalancing the cooling fans....Bahrain to Udhailiyah Aramco desert run. It also sand blasted the paintwork.

1 996 911 had an oil leak but that was it....solid.

2nd 911 C4 Cab. made a funny noise every time I went round a right hand bend. Apparantly something had sheared and things moved in those circumstances. fixed under warranty. It then developed a smoking problem. Morning start up- we are talking Beijing like plumes of Blue smoke, epic smog.....that completely filled a showroom at one point. Fixed under warranty, 6 months later started again so I decided to sell.

It had a very Quick fix -, start up, exhale massive amounts of blue smoke, go for a two minute drive, all clear switch off, restart fine. Sorted.

Repeat procedure, cash buyer, sold.
No idea if it was serious or not. Didn’t look good though and I’d heard about 996 engine issues. Buyer beware......or simple fix as before?

Purchased, Cayenne Turbo which was reliable, no issues at all sold it and then heard it had major inter cooler/ turbo issues about 4 months later. Sheikhs son so probably just binned it.

Fact is Porsche costs are frankly nothing to Maserati.

The thinking Maserati Man would buy new.
 

Motorsport3

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I think QPV vs QPVI will have the dynamics of F355 vs F360. Obviously the later car is "better" from a technology/power delivery point of view. F360 was also full aluminium so objectively better chassis and more dependable. But the 355 must be one of the most beautiful ferraris ever and i think prices are starting reflecting that.
 

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I think QPV vs QPVI will have the dynamics of F355 vs F360. Obviously the later car is "better" from a technology/power delivery point of view. F360 was also full aluminium so objectively better chassis and more dependable. But the 355 must be one of the most beautiful ferraris ever and i think prices are starting reflecting that.

The F355 was the last pretty Ferrari for me........
 
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Firstly, Let me pin my colours to the mast.

I miss my 4.7 Mc like no other car I have ever owned and I regret not bringing a QPV GTS with me to Oz.
The problem that I think current owners have when it comes to sales is that these desirable cars are now quite ‘old’ and are not blessed with a reputation for reliability. They are niche, marmite.

The other problem re selling, is from Maserati itself.

These are now similarly priced to markedly older Maseratis around - at an attractive price point- with more modern tech/reliably/ warranties etc and less exposure to British weather.

£126k new FSH
Judging by the houses it’ll have been well looked after.



If I were looking for the Maserati experience, with far, far fewer concerns i’d buy one of these.
I've had the 2015 GTS for almost 8 months in Switzerland. One owner car with 26,000kms. I use it as my daily car, (3-4 days a week). The car has been bullet proof mechanically and no issues so far except for the glovebox getting stuck locked once. Cheapest GTS here is 55k CHF. The Right hand market is bargain for the GTS and with 530hp and 710nm torque and only 1900kg kerb weight this car really moves with its aluminium body. Manual sport mode, 60 millisecond gear shifts & great sound with RWD. With the QP6 GTS if you get a really nice spec one its a beauty. I can only recommend this car.
Stock exhaust sound.
 
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Nayf

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I think QPV vs QPVI will have the dynamics of F355 vs F360. Obviously the later car is "better" from a technology/power delivery point of view. F360 was also full aluminium so objectively better chassis and more dependable. But the 355 must be one of the most beautiful ferraris ever and i think prices are starting reflecting that.
Sums up my thoughts on it.

Though the 348/QPIV Sport Evo comparison has a strong pull too ;)
 

dickygrace

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Sums up my thoughts on it.

Though the 348/QPIV Sport Evo comparison has a strong pull too ;)
Very few people appreciate just how good an Evo is. I’d guess less than ten of the dedicated Maseratisti on here have driven one. Auto or manual, they’re wonderful cars to drive.
 

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Perhaps it is just me but I have never liked the 355 or any 90s Ferrari for that matter. I do agree that QPs will start appreciating at some point soon.
 

Ewan

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Having had as daily cars, 4 QP V, 3 QP IV Evo, 2 355 and a 360 I can happily recommend all of them. The 360 is noticeably the quickest, the 355 the prettiest, the QP V the most practical and best all-rounder. The QP IV EVO is becoming a tricky ownership prospect, as for example, front discs are NLA.
 

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Having had as daily cars, 4 QP V, 3 QP IV Evo, 2 355 and a 360 I can happily recommend all of them. The 360 is noticeably the quickest, the 355 the prettiest, the QP V the most practical and best all-rounder. The QP IV EVO is becoming a tricky ownership prospect, as for example, front discs are NLA.

4x QPVs ! Out of curiosity did you do a lot of miles in them or just upgrade as newer versions became available ?
 

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I have a problem with the complexity of all modern cars, the parts availability seems to drop off very quickly and you need qualified engineers and equipment to look after them.

I have been looking at older exec cars and it's not until you get into the 70s that the complexity and risk drops significantly. There are a couple of Series 1 & 2 XJ6 saloons around with low mileages and no rot. Even more surprisingly spares are still available for most wear and tear items and even other stuff can be found with a bit of searching. In its day the XJ6 was one of the best luxury cars around something that is still true to this day.

Alternatively a mate has just bought an 1978 S Class Merc with only 40k on the clock, stonking V8 auto with all the toys although if it was me the Draylon upholstery would have to go.
 

philw696

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Couldn't agree with you more Andy loved my XJC wanted one for years and had some fun in NZ working with her on the driveway with minimal Imperial hand tools to remove the cylinder head.
Would love another.
Stirling Moss reckoned one of the Best driving saloons ever with suspension and brakes taken from the Racing experience.
A SWB XJ is quite small by today's standards like most things.63663
 

Oneball

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I have a problem with the complexity of all modern cars, the parts availability seems to drop off very quickly and you need qualified engineers and equipment to look after them.

I have been looking at older exec cars and it's not until you get into the 70s that the complexity and risk drops significantly. There are a couple of Series 1 & 2 XJ6 saloons around with low mileages and no rot. Even more surprisingly spares are still available for most wear and tear items and even other stuff can be found with a bit of searching. In its day the XJ6 was one of the best luxury cars around something that is still true to this day.

Alternatively a mate has just bought an 1978 S Class Merc with only 40k on the clock, stonking V8 auto with all the toys although if it was me the Draylon upholstery would have to go.

I love the velour interior in high end Mercs. The late 80s S class are still easy to work on and have all the goodies a 300SEL is a lovely thing, you even get footrests in the back.
 

Ewan

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4x QPVs ! Out of curiosity did you do a lot of miles in them or just upgrade as newer versions became available ?

A bit of both. Started with an 05 DS, then an 06 DS, then another 05 DS, than a GTS (with the snore-bore auto box, obviously). This was over about 10 years, so an average of 2.5 years each. I had other cars alongside these at the same time, but the QP’s were my daily drives (i.e. commuting, school runs, etc).

When I had the black 06 DS as my daily, some of my other cars included a QP IV Evo, a Ghibli Cup and a Shamal:
 

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Nayf

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Is the QP Evo steering more 3200 or Shamal? Given the release date - and reviews from various journos - I’m presuming the former?
 

Ewan

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I’d say it’s more Shamal-like, due to the seating position and wheel rake. Quirky, rather than good, in summary.
 

philw696

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Wow and respect to you Ewan you have certainly had some line ups of cars.
Love that picture :)
 

Nayf

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I’d say it’s more Shamal-like, due to the seating position and wheel rake. Quirky, rather than good, in summary.
I was thinking more in feel - I always found the 3200 a bit too light, whereas the Shamal I drove was a bit heavier (which I liked). I remember Jethro Bovingdon driving his dad’s QP Evo and saying it was too light and without much in the way of feedback...
 

P5Nij

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I have a problem with the complexity of all modern cars, the parts availability seems to drop off very quickly and you need qualified engineers and equipment to look after them.

I have been looking at older exec cars and it's not until you get into the 70s that the complexity and risk drops significantly. There are a couple of Series 1 & 2 XJ6 saloons around with low mileages and no rot. Even more surprisingly spares are still available for most wear and tear items and even other stuff can be found with a bit of searching. In its day the XJ6 was one of the best luxury cars around something that is still true to this day.

Alternatively a mate has just bought an 1978 S Class Merc with only 40k on the clock, stonking V8 auto with all the toys although if it was me the Draylon upholstery would have to go.

When I had my S2 XJ6 a few years ago I spent just over £2.5k on recommissioning it, this included a complete new s/steel exhaust, new springs and bushes all round, new radiator and expansion tank, new coolant hoses, ignition set up, carbs rebuilt and all fluids changed, I'd imagine a similar amount of work and parts on a QPV could easily be anywhere between five and ten times that amount. I got lucky with my XJ in that it wasn't subject to the often dire build quality of the '70s and once the suspension had been refreshed it rode like a dream, it had the best ride of any car I've ever been in. I don't half miss it and want another..!

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