The whinging bitches politics poo-bin thread

[midlifecrisis]

Phil, please drop the corbynista ****. There's no way he would have been good for the UK.

He was a secret brexiteer, a passive anti-Semitic, would be a walkover for the Unions, decimate our military, rid us of our nuclear deterrent and nuclear power stations. Increase taxes for those who've done well in their lives. (Plus other stuff I can't think of at the moment)

He was only elected as Labour leader as they didn't like the other candidates. The British public saw through him and that's why labour lost many of their heartland constituencies.

 

[MAF260]

Phil, please drop the corbynista cràp. There's no way he would have been good for the UK.

He was a secret brexiteer, a passive anti-Semitic, would be a walkover for the Unions, decimate our military, rid us of our nuclear deterrent and nuclear power stations. Increase taxes for those who've done well in their lives. (Plus other stuff I can't think of at the moment)

He was only elected as Labour leader as they didn't like the other candidates. The British public saw through him and that's why labour lost many of their heartland constituencies.

Not to mention he sh@gged Diane Abbott and gave her a shadow cabinet position - exceptionally poor judgement in my view!

 

[Wattie]

Not to mention he sh@gged Diane Abbott and gave her a shadow cabinet position - exceptionally poor judgement in my view!

Yeah Diane Abbott could’ve punched far higher.

 

[midlifecrisis]

Not to mention he sh@gged Diane Abbott and gave her a shadow cabinet position - exceptionally poor judgement in my view!

But come on, she'd be an excellent chancellor...
Twenty plus eighty equals eleventy

 

[midlifecrisis]

Liz Truss has spoken today to Ukraine's president about the ongoing crisis.

Zelensky has promised to provide all the assistance that he can.

 

[zagatoes30]

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You have all seen this analogy before but as it is measured in beer I am sure it will resonate better


Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.　
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.　

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).　
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.　

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"　
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"　

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"　

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.　

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!　

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.　

 

[Oneball]

Thats not what they’ve done.
What they’ve done is give the richest 1% back on base rate plus 5% back on the top rate and the poorest worker a real world increase in tax by removing the yearly link between tax free allowance and inflation.

 

[UlstermanAbroad]

Well the Conservatives’ backs were against the wall as far as the next general election, so they really had to do something. They really needed a magician to pull a rabbit out of the hat and gave the job to their ‘best’ man …

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Fk me! I dunno what newspaper published that. It certainly is graphic. And accurate. What a clusterfk.

(it was the decapitated rabbit cartoon)

 

[mowlas]

Fk me! I dunno what newspaper published that. It certainly is graphic. And accurate. What a clusterfk.

The Times. Yes it is a clusterfk and going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[UlstermanAbroad]

Liz Truss reminds me of a girl I knew as a teenager and I didn't share this during the leadership race because it's not especially kind and I suppose doesn't reflect well on me, as I was at that time. Forty years ago. Obviously, I'm not the same person now. (yeh and before you say that I'm much much worse now Dennis, you can go f&&k your colonial self!

Liz strikes me as nice enough. Not the brightest by a long way, but keen. Keen enough that I could see her in a low level management role. But nothing critical. A personnel officer, in a regional retailers or similar. She got the job because her father was owed a favour and the owner of the chain keeps a very tight rein, in case she lands them in an employment tribunal.
But, she looks a bit odd. She'd always be on the periphery of the cool kids, or whatever social group that she aspired to in as a teen. She wasn't outstanding at anything. A plodder.
Looks-wise, as I said. A bit odd. What in unkind parlance would be referred to as a swamp donkey. One of the girls you'd get off with at the end of the night, if you had beer goggles on and the girl you really wanted to see, hadn't turned up that night. The next morning however, you wouldn't give her the time of day. Or perhaps only enough, so you didn't seriously hurt her feelings. But, you certainly didn't want to be seen with her, cause that would do your rep no good at all. I suppose this is one of those instances where a nom de plume is useful and I'll say no more than that.

Why am I relating this pitiful tale about the shallow youth I once was. Well, as soon as I saw Liz Truss, I immediately thought of the girl I knew forty years ago. And if I could see all of the negative traits in Truss that must've been obvious to all, because we were all discussing them; why couldn't the Conservative members? Or, are they so prejudiced that they would've voted for the town rat catcher, rather than have a person of colour in Number 10?
For the record, I believe both Truss and Sunak to be equally inept, in their own different ways.

So, the chickens have come whom to roost. Or, whatever similar expression you would choose to sum up where we find ourselves. YouGuv predicts that under this Prime Minister, the Tories would essentially be wiped out at the next election, with less than forty seats in the Commons. Labour are estimated to be almost forty points ahead in opinion polls. Which I don't think I've seen in my lifetime. And IMO Labour are no better and in no way can offer even a hint of a future credible government.

The question now is. How quickly will the 1922 Committee wield the knife and afterwards will we be any better off?
My answer. Only if those who stood previously sit out the next leadership race. With the exception of Tom Tugendhat (if he ran, I can't recall. there were so many at one point).

For anyone who believes another leadership race is the last thing the country needs, I would say. Truss must be in the running for the worst PM that we've ever had, despite only starting her tenure of Number 10 and with Putin threatening nuclear war in Europe, is she really who we want leading the country? (rhetorical)

 

[UlstermanAbroad]

The Times. Yes it is a clusterfk and going to get worse before it gets better.

That says a lot. I thought that it was one of the red tops!

 

[gb-gta]

I’m no financial expert, so please feel free to shoot me down, but this all seems a bit of an over reaction to me.

Firstly, the theory of cutting taxes for the rich bringing in more to the pot can be proven or not I guess, but even if it is true and it brings in more, it’s a massive political error, in terms of optics at the moment with all the energy issues, to have not only a 45 to 40% cut of top rate, but also a scrapping of bankers bonuses.
They must have known that the media were going to focus just on this. Total public outrage ensues
It also seems that the Bank of England really wanted rishi to win. It’s looks to me like they are just attacking the government because their man didn’t get in.
The BOE, like everyone, knew from pretty much the start of the leadership contest exactly what was going to happen, rishi was going to raise taxes and liz was going to cut them. We knew early on Liz was going to win. Why did the BOE wait until this mini budget to react aggresively and causing the market disruption? Everyone knew what was coming surely?
Sure, they have a policy of trying to get inflation to 2%, but they seem to be a one trick pony, nothing else matters.
They say they need to rapidly increase interest rates because, due to this mini budget, inflation will rise. Will it? How much of the current 10% inflation is due to the public overspending on goods and luxuries? If the average joe has an extra £1000 in his pocket from tax cuts I’d guess he’s not going out and buying a new flat screen tv and some Nike trainers because it will all be swallowed up by energy/food cost rises. He’ll just be a bit less in debt. So it’s not consumer driven inflation?

Here’s a quote from them
‘Some economists predicted that the Bank of England might call an emergency meeting as soon as this week to raise rates, to help stem the fall in sterling and keep a lid on the rising cost of living.’

Why is it an ‘emergency’ to them, like I said earlier, they knew this was going to be government policy many many weeks ago.

So if they ramp up base interest rates to 6%, rather than ‘keeping a lid on the cost of living’ this could send peoples mortgages up 5,6,700/month, massively more than the energy rises! ‘Fuelling the fire of the costs of living’ more like

Im sure interest rates need to rise from their historic lows over time, but not a rapid hike from 0.5 to 6% in 6 months like they are, what comes across as, ‘threatening’ to do.
It just looks like a deliberate statement to fire up the media and cause panic for some reason known only to them.

Like I said, I’m no financial expert, I guess the issue is debt interest of extra government borrowing and how it’s paid for in the future, but to quote a reason of peoples ‘cost of living ‘ as their reason for rapidly rising base rates seems bizzare to me. I don’t see how that’s going to help.

 

[Wattie]

I’m no financial expert, so please feel free to shoot me down, but this all seems a bit of an over reaction to me.

Firstly, the theory of cutting taxes for the rich bringing in more to the pot can be proven or not I guess, but even if it is true and it brings in more, it’s a massive political error, in terms of optics at the moment with all the energy issues, to have not only a 45 to 40% cut of top rate, but also a scrapping of bankers bonuses.
They must have known that the media were going to focus just on this. Total public outrage ensues
It also seems that the Bank of England really wanted rishi to win. It’s looks to me like they are just attacking the government because their man didn’t get in.
The BOE, like everyone, knew from pretty much the start of the leadership contest exactly what was going to happen, rishi was going to raise taxes and liz was going to cut them. We knew early on Liz was going to win. Why did the BOE wait until this mini budget to react aggresively and causing the market disruption? Everyone knew what was coming surely?
Sure, they have a policy of trying to get inflation to 2%, but they seem to be a one trick pony, nothing else matters.
They say they need to rapidly increase interest rates because, due to this mini budget, inflation will rise. Will it? How much of the current 10% inflation is due to the public overspending on goods and luxuries? If the average joe has an extra £1000 in his pocket from tax cuts I’d guess he’s not going out and buying a new flat screen tv and some Nike trainers because it will all be swallowed up by energy/food cost rises. He’ll just be a bit less in debt. So it’s not consumer driven inflation?

Here’s a quote from them
‘Some economists predicted that the Bank of England might call an emergency meeting as soon as this week to raise rates, to help stem the fall in sterling and keep a lid on the rising cost of living.’

Why is it an ‘emergency’ to them, like I said earlier, they knew this was going to be government policy many many weeks ago.

So if they ramp up base interest rates to 6%, rather than ‘keeping a lid on the cost of living’ this could send peoples mortgages up 5,6,700/month, massively more than the energy rises! ‘Fuelling the fire of the costs of living’ more like

Im sure interest rates need to rise from their historic lows over time, but not a rapid hike from 0.5 to 6% in 6 months like they are, what comes across as, ‘threatening’ to do.
It just looks like a deliberate statement to fire up the media and cause panic for some reason known only to them.

Like I said, I’m no financial expert, I guess the issue is debt interest of extra government borrowing and how it’s paid for in the future, but to quote a reason of peoples ‘cost of living ‘ as their reason for rapidly rising base rates seems bizzare to me. I don’t see how that’s going to help.

What you’re witnessing are desperate measures by Central banks to control ever increasingly “impossible” financial conditions (that they fostered for a decade) along with their political buddies.

The Titanic is sinking and no amount of bandaids are gonna fix the holes.
You can be the band or you can grab a lifeboat.

 

[gb-gta]

The Titanic is sinking and no amount of bandaids are gonna fix the holes.
You can be the band or you can grab a lifeboat.
[/QUOTE]

I am starting to sell stuff, I may have left it slightly too late though!
As long as I can sell everything, retire, and go off grid into the woods and live out my life whittling wooden spoons before labour get in power I’ll be ok I think.

 

[Wattie]

The Titanic is sinking and no amount of bandaids are gonna fix the holes.
You can be the band or you can grab a lifeboat.

I am starting to sell stuff, I may have left it slightly too late though!
As long as I can sell everything, retire, and go off grid into the woods and live out my life whittling wooden spoons before labour get in power I’ll be ok I think.
[/QUOTE]
“before labour get in power”

I find this rather amusing given the total balls up of the current government.
I can’t stand any of em but for gods sakes surely you realize the ineptness of the lot you believe in?

 

[gb-gta]

I am starting to sell stuff, I may have left it slightly too late though!
As long as I can sell everything, retire, and go off grid into the woods and live out my life whittling wooden spoons before labour get in power I’ll be ok I think.

“before labour get in power”

I find this rather amusing given the total balls up of the current government.
I can’t stand any of em but for gods sakes surely you realize the ineptness of the lot you believe in?
[/QUOTE]
Just to be clear, I don’t believe in this lot, or any of them, red, blue, orange or green.

But based on their previous manifesto labour would have been a disaster for me. I have a very small portfolio of properties for my pension, without going into details, labours proposals would have effectively taken this from me, by forcing me to sell them to my tenants at a well below market rate price, because they have paid rent they ‘deserve’ to buy it off me cheaply as it’s their home. Total fruit loops. But maybe that’s just corbyn, although half the party, including the deputy leader still wish he was leader……

 

[midlifecrisis]

Liz Truss reminds me of a girl I knew as a teenager and I didn't share this during the leadership race because it's not especially kind and I suppose doesn't reflect well on me, as I was at that time. Forty years ago. Obviously, I'm not the same person now. (yeh and before you say that I'm much much worse now Dennis, you can go f&&k your colonial self!

Liz strikes me as nice enough. Not the brightest by a long way, but keen. Keen enough that I could see her in a low level management role. But nothing critical. A personnel officer, in a regional retailers or similar. She got the job because her father was owed a favour and the owner of the chain keeps a very tight rein, in case she lands them in an employment tribunal.
But, she looks a bit odd. She'd always be on the periphery of the cool kids, or whatever social group that she aspired to in as a teen. She wasn't outstanding at anything. A plodder.
Looks-wise, as I said. A bit odd. What in unkind parlance would be referred to as a swamp donkey. One of the girls you'd get off with at the end of the night, if you had beer goggles on and the girl you really wanted to see, hadn't turned up that night. The next morning however, you wouldn't give her the time of day. Or perhaps only enough, so you didn't seriously hurt her feelings. But, you certainly didn't want to be seen with her, cause that would do your rep no good at all. I suppose this is one of those instances where a nom de plume is useful and I'll say no more than that.

Why am I relating this pitiful tale about the shallow youth I once was. Well, as soon as I saw Liz Truss, I immediately thought of the girl I knew forty years ago. And if I could see all of the negative traits in Truss that must've been obvious to all, because we were all discussing them; why couldn't the Conservative members? Or, are they so prejudiced that they would've voted for the town rat catcher, rather than have a person of colour in Number 10?
For the record, I believe both Truss and Sunak to be equally inept, in their own different ways.

So, the chickens have come whom to roost. Or, whatever similar expression you would choose to sum up where we find ourselves. YouGuv predicts that under this Prime Minister, the Tories would essentially be wiped out at the next election, with less than forty seats in the Commons. Labour are estimated to be almost forty points ahead in opinion polls. Which I don't think I've seen in my lifetime. And IMO Labour are no better and in no way can offer even a hint of a future credible government.

The question now is. How quickly will the 1922 Committee wield the knife and afterwards will we be any better off?
My answer. Only if those who stood previously sit out the next leadership race. With the exception of Tom Tugendhat (if he ran, I can't recall. there were so many at one point).

For anyone who believes another leadership race is the last thing the country needs, I would say. Truss must be in the running for the worst PM that we've ever had, despite only starting her tenure of Number 10 and with Putin threatening nuclear war in Europe, is she really who we want leading the country? (rhetorical)

Hmm...NAAFI bop one night stand to PM ...

She seems out of her depth. My brother was saying before it was announced that the next conservative leader is the fall guy/girl to blame for losing the next election. He reckons Kemi Bad-Enoch will be next one...

 

[DLax69]

What you’re witnessing are desperate measures by Central banks to control ever increasingly “impossible” financial conditions (that they fostered for a decade) along with their political buddies.

The Titanic is sinking and no amount of bandaids are gonna fix the holes.
You can be the band or you can grab a lifeboat.

I ask this from across the water...what's the feeling/consensus/opinion around Brexit being the reason for the fundamental instability? Is it possible that "buyer's remorse" around the "Leave" vote is really what's causal re: public sentiment?

 

[DLax69]

Liz Truss reminds me of a girl I knew as a teenager and I didn't share this during the leadership race because it's not especially kind and I suppose doesn't reflect well on me, as I was at that time. Forty years ago. Obviously, I'm not the same person now. (yeh and before you say that I'm much much worse now Dennis, you can go f&&k your colonial self!

Liz strikes me as nice enough. Not the brightest by a long way, but keen. Keen enough that I could see her in a low level management role. But nothing critical. A personnel officer, in a regional retailers or similar. She got the job because her father was owed a favour and the owner of the chain keeps a very tight rein, in case she lands them in an employment tribunal.
But, she looks a bit odd. She'd always be on the periphery of the cool kids, or whatever social group that she aspired to in as a teen. She wasn't outstanding at anything. A plodder.
Looks-wise, as I said. A bit odd. What in unkind parlance would be referred to as a swamp donkey. One of the girls you'd get off with at the end of the night, if you had beer goggles on and the girl you really wanted to see, hadn't turned up that night. The next morning however, you wouldn't give her the time of day. Or perhaps only enough, so you didn't seriously hurt her feelings. But, you certainly didn't want to be seen with her, cause that would do your rep no good at all. I suppose this is one of those instances where a nom de plume is useful and I'll say no more than that.

Why am I relating this pitiful tale about the shallow youth I once was. Well, as soon as I saw Liz Truss, I immediately thought of the girl I knew forty years ago. And if I could see all of the negative traits in Truss that must've been obvious to all, because we were all discussing them; why couldn't the Conservative members? Or, are they so prejudiced that they would've voted for the town rat catcher, rather than have a person of colour in Number 10?
For the record, I believe both Truss and Sunak to be equally inept, in their own different ways.

So, the chickens have come whom to roost. Or, whatever similar expression you would choose to sum up where we find ourselves. YouGuv predicts that under this Prime Minister, the Tories would essentially be wiped out at the next election, with less than forty seats in the Commons. Labour are estimated to be almost forty points ahead in opinion polls. Which I don't think I've seen in my lifetime. And IMO Labour are no better and in no way can offer even a hint of a future credible government.

The question now is. How quickly will the 1922 Committee wield the knife and afterwards will we be any better off?
My answer. Only if those who stood previously sit out the next leadership race. With the exception of Tom Tugendhat (if he ran, I can't recall. there were so many at one point).

For anyone who believes another leadership race is the last thing the country needs, I would say. Truss must be in the running for the worst PM that we've ever had, despite only starting her tenure of Number 10 and with Putin threatening nuclear war in Europe, is she really who we want leading the country? (rhetorical)

Mike, we both just keep getting better with age & seasoning!

 

[DLax69]

I also want to state that one can't underestimate the Power of Racism in certain circles. There's no Trump without an Obama. Jim Crow was all about the fact that white, brown dirt farmers now were "less than" the Other.