TESLA REMOTELY REMOVING FEATURES

rockits

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Aside from the individual circumstances in this case this would put me right off buying any car like this. For anyone to have so much remote control over a car that myself, my wife and my children may be driving is an issue for me. I do not 100% trust the technology or the company operating the remote functions and accessibility. Would I trust it with mine, my wife or my children's safety and/lives? No. I think this is very different to trusting a manufacturer to build a safe car.

It would worry me that a software glitch could make the car do something quite dramatic an dangerous. Especially as these cars have more drive by wire control than mechanical control. I have been in the IT/tech world for over 25 years and there is sometimes a situation that occurs (often called a glitch!) that cannot ever be explained and just happened once for no reason.

For a manufacture to have control over a computer or mobile phone to disable a feature is not right but not a life or death scenario. However a car.....is that not going a bit too far and potentially creating a safety issue? Or is it just me being overbearing or paranoid?
 

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I wouldn't say you're paranoid , I don't have any of those god awful googlebox or Alexa thingys for the same reason, I do have a huawei phone however :D
 

CatmanV2

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This is the way things will continue. Read the small print in the contract ;)

In this case, however, I suggest this is a much a **** up as anything else. Clearly it's not a case of the customer who now owns it 'not having paid for that feature' as he clearly did. Far more that Tesla sold it to the first owner in error.

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Also, it would appear Tesla can remove ‘extra’ features that may have caused an accident in order to remove themselves from liability. Personally, I wouldn’t put it past them.

I recently had a Tesla try and ‘teach me a lesson’ through the mid-range when I was in the TT; it didn’t go as well as he thought it would. Tw*t.
 

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Not good is it?

I avoid tech if I can, especially in my home. It's 500 years old to start with, but I wouldn't accept any form of external intervention.

I have basic (non internet) TV's and a smart phone. Which isn't to say I'm technologically illiterate, quite the opposite.

A wood burning stove and some candles are a joy, and I'm quite content to live 'out in the sticks'... great driving.
 

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Not good is it?

I avoid tech if I can, especially in my home. It's 500 years old to start with, but I wouldn't accept any form of external intervention.

I have basic (non internet) TV's and a smart phone. Which isn't to say I'm technologically illiterate, quite the opposite.

A wood burning stove and some candles are a joy, and I'm quite content to live 'out in the sticks'... great driving.
You are Tom Good and I claim my five pounds....
 

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Aside from the individual circumstances in this case this would put me right off buying any car like this. For anyone to have so much remote control over a car that myself, my wife and my children may be driving is an issue for me. I do not 100% trust the technology or the company operating the remote functions and accessibility. Would I trust it with mine, my wife or my children's safety and/lives? No. I think this is very different to trusting a manufacturer to build a safe car.

It would worry me that a software glitch could make the car do something quite dramatic an dangerous. Especially as these cars have more drive by wire control than mechanical control. I have been in the IT/tech world for over 25 years and there is sometimes a situation that occurs (often called a glitch!) that cannot ever be explained and just happened once for no reason.

For a manufacture to have control over a computer or mobile phone to disable a feature is not right but not a life or death scenario. However a car.....is that not going a bit too far and potentially creating a safety issue? Or is it just me being overbearing or paranoid?
This is pretty much how all civil airliners and combat aircraft are designed and manufactured these days. I used to buy the Avionic systems / equipment for many of these aircraft and frankly its mind blowing what capabilities are now being developed. The only reason why civil airliners have pilots sitting in the cockpit is because the travelling public wouldnt accept it if they weren't. Aircraft are already capable of fully autonomous flying so eventually you wont actually need people to fly. Nuts....Star Trek is getting ever closer to all of us!
 

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This is pretty much how all civil airliners and combat aircraft are designed and manufactured these days. I used to buy the Avionic systems / equipment for many of these aircraft and frankly its mind blowing what capabilities are now being developed. The only reason why civil airliners have pilots sitting in the cockpit is because the travelling public wouldnt accept it if they weren't. Aircraft are already capable of fully autonomous flying so eventually you wont actually need people to fly. Nuts....Star Trek is getting ever closer to all of us!
I live with two pilots (not in that way) both are under 30, and the way they describe what they do makes you think I could do that, cos the plane does 99% of it.
 

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I live with two pilots (not in that way) both are under 30, and the way they describe what they do makes you think I could do that, cos the plane does 99% of it.
It's when it stops doing it the skill of the pilot comes into play.
This is what would worry me, the chances of it happening are low but RC tesla controlled by terrorists could be a worry , it's 3 years ago so they may have improved security ( hopefully)

Three months since the first fatal crash involving a Tesla driving in autopilot mode, hackers have taken remote control of a Tesla Model S from a distance of 12 miles, interfering with the car’s brakes, door locks, dashboard computer screen and other electronically controlled features in the high-tech car.
A team of Chinese security researchers – Samuel LV, Sen Nie, Ling Liu and Wen Lu from Keen Security Lab – were able to target the car wirelessly and remotely in an attack that could cause havoc for any Tesla driver.
 

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One of my acquaintances has two Teslas at his disposal: he has an X, and his wife has just bought a 3. He absolutely loves them, and he's just placed an order to buy the forthcoming Cybertruck. I was really impressed when, about a year ago, he told me that he was having trouble with the electric (gullwing) doors on his Model X; he called Tesla and, apparently, they fixed it wirelessly. Wow!

He took my eldest daugher to Alton Towers a few months ago, and she came home raving about the X: full of gadgets. My acquaintance did all sorts of tricks (autopilot, big accelerations etc.), and my daughter is completely sold on the concept.

I was pretty horrified when, a couple of weeks ago, I saw this video on youtube. There's no doubt that this was a high speed collision, but it really made me shudder:


I hope there were no kids in the back, and that everybody is okay. The Nissan seemed in much better shape ...
 
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It's when it stops doing it the skill of the pilot comes into play.
This is what would worry me, the chances of it happening are low but RC tesla controlled by terrorists could be a worry , it's 3 years ago so they may have improved security ( hopefully)

Three months since the first fatal crash involving a Tesla driving in autopilot mode, hackers have taken remote control of a Tesla Model S from a distance of 12 miles, interfering with the car’s brakes, door locks, dashboard computer screen and other electronically controlled features in the high-tech car.
A team of Chinese security researchers – Samuel LV, Sen Nie, Ling Liu and Wen Lu from Keen Security Lab – were able to target the car wirelessly and remotely in an attack that could cause havoc for any Tesla driver.
Well imagine a scenario where the next 6th generation fighter aircraft will be fully autonomous, can fly with or without a pilot and control 'swarms' of unmanned armed and / or surveillance drones while flying at the same time. This is what's coming.
 

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Well imagine a scenario where the next 6th generation fighter aircraft will be fully autonomous, can fly with or without a pilot and control 'swarms' of unmanned armed and / or surveillance drones while flying at the same time. This is what's coming.
Skynet!
 

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Well imagine a scenario where the next 6th generation fighter aircraft will be fully autonomous, can fly with or without a pilot and control 'swarms' of unmanned armed and / or surveillance drones while flying at the same time. This is what's coming.
Or a situation in which any prominent official can be "terminated" very efficiently by an adversary with a drone, as has recently happened. The game has changed, and changed for the worse ...

It's absolutely frightening ...
 

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Well imagine a scenario where the next 6th generation fighter aircraft will be fully autonomous, can fly with or without a pilot and control 'swarms' of unmanned armed and / or surveillance drones while flying at the same time. This is what's coming.

Technically impressive, existentially terrifying. I really hope that the people who devote their lives to avoiding wars are a lot smarter than those who devote their lives to designing machines to destroy enemies.
 

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Technically impressive, existentially terrifying. I really hope that the people who devote their lives to avoiding wars are a lot smarter than those who devote their lives to designing machines to destroy enemies.

Depends on what you pay each group....

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How the h3ll does a 2.5t car break in half like this? I have never seen anything like that.

I stick to my old school lower tech cars please. I have no desire or need for all this tech in my car.

When I went to a Tesla Model 3 event recently it took my 5 mins to work out how to turn the radio off! And another 5 mins to open the boot. Progress.

I can open the boot to my 1998 Peugeot 306 with a button or key in about 5 secs.

I don't want the manufacturer to have unlimited unequivocal access to my car.
 

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Wow, what an amazing story. I suspect this isn’t the last we’ll hear of this sort of thing. You’d think they just let it slip once the car has the option, for reputation if nothing else. Do they really make that much from people adding options, and more to the point re-adding options they already had!
 

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I agree but I guess it is all about setting a precedent. If they let it slide for one then others in future will feel they can achieve the same result. It is like negotiating with terrorists. It is a tough one to find a balance or line on.

It does seem that much of the premium cost of a Tesla is attributed to more in tech than mechanical, design, engineering, quality or durability.

Trouble is making things complex makes reliability very difficult and security just as tough. Make it simpler and naturally it is much simpler to make it more reliable and more secure.

I think we need to slow down a bit in some areas and speed up a bit in others.

We have the developed world causing climate changing issues and the developing world achieving similar in very different ways. The developed world have the resource, understanding and intelligence to do more or better. To a certain extent the developing world does too but is so lacking in others areas that the developed world could offer so much help with if they chose.

Funny old world.
 

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Or a situation in which any prominent official can be "terminated" very efficiently by an adversary with a drone, as has recently happened. The game has changed, and changed for the worse ...

It's absolutely frightening ...
Sure is terrifying. This kind of technology will be with us by 2035, along with energy pulse weapons ( like Star Trek) which will replace conventional weapon systems. Unbelievable stuff coming.
Given the ability of the human race to develop such technology then you would think they could find the answer to global warming by designing CO2 scrubbers which take it out of the atmosphere.