Strange knocking sound @ idle. 3200GTA

Tamariini

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Hi There!

I have been experiencing knocking sound from the enginebay all time i have owned my 3200. Sound has not bothered me much since it is really low volume knock and everything is working like it should. At first i thought it was tappet noise and adjusted valves but it was not that. I also checked crank end float to be on the safe side but it was ok.

During winter storage i thought that it would be finally nice to find a reason for that knock though so i took car on ramps and listened it carefully. Sound is louder below the car and knocking seems to begin when engine is close to normal operation temperature and is coming from the gearbox end of the engine, or it might even come from the gearbox or torque converter.

Has anyone of you experienced similar with your 3200's and what was the cause?
 

Lozzer

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Automatic? Funny enough I asked about this at last service time, if it sounds like a worn camshaft/lifter it's actually the torque converter and its normal. It resonates a mild knocking sound through the unit that sounds like it's coming from the engine. Don't worry about it :)
 

Tamariini

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Yes, automatic 2001, just like yours =)

It is very good to know that knocking sound could be normal. I recorded quick video of it from under the car, does yours sound the same? Does sound change when you put car on N or D or R since mine does not.

 

davy83

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I have a noise when the car is cold, but its gone at running temperature, and I am pretty sure it does not sound like that when its warm. How easy was the valve adjustment? Its a job on my list!!
 

davy83

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ok so you bought the factory tools. Did you look at the valve timing too or just clearances?
 

davy83

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also for the replacement shims did you get a whole bunch of them or how did you handle changing the sizes? I see the shims are £6 a pop, so buying a range of these could be quite a proposition?
 

Tamariini

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Yes, i did timing + cambelt & waterpump of course. I checked clearances and existing shim thicknesses and ordered shims i needed after that. I had to change something like 18 shims but was able to swap their places so only needed to buy new ones less than 10
 

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Get a length of air pipe, put it to your ear and check the tappets first then go on round the engine till you identify where the strongest sound is coming from.

Does it go if you put the clutch down or is it auto?
 

Lozzer

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Yes, automatic 2001, just like yours =)

It is very good to know that knocking sound could be normal. I recorded quick video of it from under the car, does yours sound the same? Does sound change when you put car on N or D or R since mine does not.

Does that sound louder in the vid than it actually is? Mine does it but it doesn't sound as loud as that, then again I've not listened to it from underneath, just from top. BTW the info I had came from a well respected indi who listened to it after I asked about having the valves shimmed (like you I thought it was a valve clearance issue)
What cost is the Maserati tool to do these?
There is this as well, might be handy to have.
http://www.hillengineering.co.uk/tools/engine-related-2/valve-shim-tools/-900026000
 

alfatwo

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If you have a manual 3200, the old Getrag gearbox tends to clack around in neutral on tick over, as long as everything goes quite when push the clutch down!

Dave
 

dunnah01

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Mine sounded like that - don't trust indies to diagnose as you'll end up with a big bill to not sort it out - trust me I know. It was the torque converter in the end but not a problem so lived with the embarrassment.
 

Lozzer

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Mine sounded like that - don't trust indies to diagnose as you'll end up with a big bill to not sort it out - trust me I know. It was the torque converter in the end but not a problem so lived with the embarrassment.
A well respected indi that also sponsors this forum I should add, I trust his judgment ;)
 

Tamariini

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Does that sound louder in the vid than it actually is? Mine does it but it doesn't sound as loud as that, then again I've not listened to it from underneath, just from top. BTW the info I had came from a well respected indi who listened to it after I asked about having the valves shimmed (like you I thought it was a valve clearance issue)
What cost is the Maserati tool to do these?
There is this as well, might be handy to have.
http://www.hillengineering.co.uk/tools/engine-related-2/valve-shim-tools/-900026000
No, it sounds very similar "live". From the top it is not worse than valves in need of adjustment. actually that hill engineering tool is exactly what i bought. I think it is a "improved copy" of original Maserati tool?

If you have a manual 3200, the old Getrag gearbox tends to clack around in neutral on tick over, as long as everything goes quite when push the clutch down!

Dave
Mine is Automatic BTR

Mine sounded like that - don't trust indies to diagnose as you'll end up with a big bill to not sort it out - trust me I know. It was the torque converter in the end but not a problem so lived with the embarrassment.
Ok, so you did'nt do anything for it and car was working ok? I am a bit annoyed about the noise... and i have worries if something breaks because of that sound...
 

Tamariini

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I've now been spending some time in youtube listening videos with tag "flexplate knock" and "torque converter knock" and loose flexplate gives exactly similar sound to mine...

one example:

I think during the winter i will take gearbox out and check to prevent further damage... Just in case, it's not a big task. Anyone knows if one could use Ford Falcon torque converters on these since they are using same gearboxes? There is a lot of knowledge on these boxes and torque converters in australia and possibly some performance parts available from there.

edit: and something like this would be a nice feature with flaps on steering column =) https://www.shiftkits.com.au/shop/btr-4-speed-full-manual-transmission-controller/
 
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Oneball

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You won’t be able to use a torque converter from a different engine, although externally similar the internal vanes are designed to suit the torque curve of the particular engine.

Torque converters can be refurbished as if they fail it’s usually either seals or the lock up clutch.
 

dunnah01

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Don't laugh but SsangYong/Rexton/Mercedes used the same BTR M74LE box so may be worth a bit of Googling
 

boomerang

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When i owned a 3200 GTA years ago, that noise was one of the first things that drew my attention.
According to a gearbox technician, the noise was caused by the lock up mechanism inside the torque converter.
A converter overhaul could solve this problem maybe.
Maybe.....
Fact is, that higher mileage cars, tend to make this noise more pronounced.
So probably, wear is causing play somewhere in the lock up mechanism.
 

Lozzer

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When i owned a 3200 GTA years ago, that noise was one of the first things that drew my attention.
According to a gearbox technician, the noise was caused by the lock up mechanism inside the torque converter.
A converter overhaul could solve this problem maybe.
Maybe.....
Fact is, that higher mileage cars, tend to make this noise more pronounced.
So probably, wear is causing play somewhere in the lock up mechanism.
Yeh, mine does it mildly, doesn't sound anywhere near as pronounced as the op one ,which is why I asked if it sounded like it does in the vid, and mine has nearly 82k on now.
 

Lozzer

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Then again , when you stick a camera under there , maybe it is, took 3 vids this afternoon, 1st one cold, 2nd one warmed up and 3rd one from inside where it seems to phase in and out when you rev it a little.