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philw696

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I've certainly paid my fair share of tax everywhere I have been and still doing it here in France where I believe we pay more than most but if I want to see a doctor on Monday morning I will see one unlike the horrors I've come across in the UK as my elderly mother's health deteriorates and she's needing more care etc.
I feel more honest than the politicians running the show that's for sure.
 

rockits

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I've certainly paid my fair share of tax everywhere I have been and still doing it here in France where I believe we pay more than most but if I want to see a doctor on Monday morning I will see one unlike the horrors I've come across in the UK as my elderly mother's health deteriorates and she's needing more care etc.
I feel more honest than the politicians running the show that's for sure.
I think half the battle is knowing what is right or wrong both criminally also morally. I don't need people who struggle to understand this to create the rules that I am told I should follow. I think I have a fairly good handle on it all. It seems a little ironic that the people that create the rules are often some of the people that seem to struggle to get a good handle on it all.

Like you Phil I feel pretty content with my actions within society and also feel more honest than many others who seem to create the rules and run the world. Maybe that is the point and by design.
 

CatmanV2

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I strongly suspect most people feel more honest than others.

As I have said before no one does something they think is un-reasonable

C
 

lozcb

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Have to agree, I'm afraid.

C
And I vehemently defend your right to disagree and be offended , but if we are truly honest we all know the taxation system is fixed or by design configured to penalise the little guy in terms of loopholes whilst allowing the big guys to use expensive accountant firms /offshore companies to legally offset taxes which normally would see their profits taxed in house , as small company or one man band there is/was a certain threshhold to meet in order to cover those costs and make the transition viable ............either way its the small one man bands and small companies that make our society tick ................i call it balancing out the system ................if it offends that much then im happy to be persuaded by good debate and then accompany those that disagree to protest outside of those huge conglomerate companies and the tax offices and the houses of parliament so that the system is made more equal , until then Ill follow the animal farm adage (all people are equal except some are more equal than others .

Let me know when you guys want me to accompany you and ill give you a lift up there
 

CatmanV2

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And I vehemently defend your right to disagree and be offended , but if we are truly honest we all know the taxation system is fixed or by design configured to penalise the little guy in terms of loopholes whilst allowing the big guys to use expensive accountant firms /offshore companies to legally offset taxes which normally would see their profits taxed in house , as small company or one man band there is/was a certain threshhold to meet in order to cover those costs and make the transition viable ............either way its the small one man bands and small companies that make our society tick ................i call it balancing out the system ................if it offends that much then im happy to be persuaded by good debate and then accompany those that disagree to protest outside of those huge conglomerate companies and the tax offices and the houses of parliament so that the system is made more equal , until then Ill follow the animal farm adage (all people are equal except some are more equal than others .

Let me know when you guys want me to accompany you and ill give you a lift up there

I'm not offended at all.

The tax system is, IMHO, rather broken. I personally don't think it's configured deliberately to penalise anyone but YMMV

Having said that, I still think we should *all* pay the taxes we owe and not resort to 'well *he* didn't' justifications. And try to get the tax system reformed into something more workable (probably simpler)

C
 

lozcb

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I'm not offended at all.

The tax system is, IMHO, rather broken. I personally don't think it's configured deliberately to penalise anyone but YMMV

Having said that, I still think we should *all* pay the taxes we owe and not resort to 'well *he* didn't' justifications. And try to get the tax system reformed into something more workable (probably simpler)

C
Then explain is simple simon terms why we need/allow tax havens and offshore company havens if it isnt configured to allow a loophole for the rich of our society .....I thought the panama papers showed to a huge extent how the rich in this society are abusing it ,,,,,,,,,,, 1000 small one man bands non disclosure will most likely be less than 1 percent of what the likes of any one of the following Amazon/Google/Microsoft/Starbucks/Costsa should be paying

So whilst I agree with you in a Utopian world you would be one hundred percent right , but we are where we are and have been for the last god knows how many years locked in an unfair ,unequal system
 

rockits

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I strongly suspect most people feel more honest than others.

As I have said before no one does something they think is un-reasonable

C
Well partly as some do things sub or unconsciously of course. However I do believe many do many things quite knowingly.
 
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rockits

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When the system and trust is broken it is very hard to get some onboard. I can understand this completely. There in lies some fundamental issues that need to be addressed before a system can be fixed or reformed.
 

CatmanV2

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Then explain is simple simon terms why we need/allow tax havens and offshore company havens if it isnt configured to allow a loophole for the rich of our society .....I thought the panama papers showed to a huge extent how the rich in this society are abusing it ,,,,,,,,,,, 1000 small one man bands non disclosure will most likely be less than 1 percent of what the likes of any one of the following Amazon/Google/Microsoft/Starbucks/Costsa should be paying

So whilst I agree with you in a Utopian world you would be one hundred percent right , but we are where we are and have been for the last god knows how many years locked in an unfair ,unequal system

We don't 'allow' tax havens (unless you feel like deciding that the Bahamas no longer has a right to exist)
'Offshore tax havens benefit from the capital their countries draw into their economies. The funds flow in from individuals and businesses with accounts at banks and other financial institutions.'

I absolutely do not argue that certain people (not 'the rich') abuse or, at the very least, take excessive advantages of 'loopholes' in the tax systems.

IMHO the solution is not to emulate their behaviour (albeit on a smaller scale), but to fix the loopholes. If it's fair for you it cannot, logically be unfair for them.....

Annnnyywayyy dangerously potentially contentious topic, so I will probably just be quiet.

C
 

dgmx5

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I fear @MarkMas has become, by default rather than by design, the new Wanderer.

I always thought @philw696 seemed the natural successor, but his admissions have scuppered his credentials.

I also suspect some who admit to bending the rules in here, are the first to shout from the rooftops about asylum seekers and benefit scroungers and their cost to the taxpayer.

And I place on record my objection to any form of corporal or capital punishment. Strength lies not in the ability to abuse, disfigure or kill others, but in the ability not to do so even when provoked.
 
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rockits

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Slight thread drift

I'm not sure I really get that quote. I understand what it is trying to say but not sure it is one of the best I've ever heard.

Was listening to David Goggins on Chris Williamson's' YT channel last night and more logic and sense was discussed there than I ever have seen in so many places. Govts are not often the best source for finding sense or logic.
 
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dgmx5

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Very close to a quote from Idi dada Amin I believe, in one of what might be considered one of his weaker moments........but its kind of true
Who knew I was a spiritual follower of the Last King of Scotland, I certainly didn't. I certainly didn't intend to quote.

Apparent strong men always flex their apparent strength by demonstrating their propensity to use it.

A stronger man does not resort to violence to achieve their aims, even though they are often perceived as weak by apparently stronger men.
 

dgmx5

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I don't know what that means; I'm hoping is positive, but not entirely optimistic about that.
As long as I am not the new Spoons, I guess I'm in good shape. :cool:
Well I had a lot of affection for Wanderer in fighting the good fight in what is a broadly conservative (small c) forum.

Whether you see that as positive, I can't say. Definitely good not to be the new Spoons, and too much competition to be so judging by recent forum activity.
 

lozcb

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Who knew I was a spiritual follower of the Last King of Scotland, I certainly didn't. I certainly didn't intend to quote.

Apparent strong men always flex their apparent strength by demonstrating their propensity to use it.

A stronger man does not resort to violence to achieve their aims, even though they are often perceived as weak by apparently stronger men.
It was a quote made by Idi at a time when he was considering punishment for one of his advisors Colonel Bob actually slap bang in the middle of his reign of terror, Kakuas are known for their ruthlessness so Bob was lucky to escape with his life , always considered a traitor by British/western governments
 

lozcb

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Seems Gold is not the only dodgy thing to get into in Africa
 

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