Saving a 3200 from the scrap heap!

[Spitfire980]

Took the other head off and its pretty much the same and in further bad news, the machine shop informed me that the PO has already machined them down previously. I know the factory manual allows a maximum of 0.2mm to machined off however does anybody know the original length? Id like to verify how much was machined off

 

[Spitfire980]

I remembered seeing a couple of videos of a scrapped out 3200 on Instagram, I contacted the guy and he refused to send me the location. Fortunately, I have a parts finder who has seen the car before he met me. I negotiated the price and sent the car over to me

141,000km and 4 vins away from mines

Here she is with her sister

I removed the heads and thank god they are safe although clearly the owner had headgasket failure with the amount of chocolate sludge

Now the question, when replacing head gaskets, any idea whether the head studs need to be replaced? the factory manual doesn't show anything and I cant find the part numbers?

My general knowledge is to replace the studs or bolts always when changing headgasket

 

[Oneball]

Great result with the scrappy.

 

[philw696]

@alfatwo
Dave will know as he had his totally rebuilt.
They need measuring for starters to see if they are all the same.

 

[alfatwo]

Yes normally, but make sure you can get them before you start struggling... sometimes its best to leave alone as you can ruin the block trying to get them out!

I also have some oversize thrust washers if your block needs machining

Dave

 

[F456M]

Super cool thread! 55 degrees C. is probably more than a Masersti can handle! My 550 Maranello was constantly overheating in everything above 27 degrees when stuck in traffic. Then modified the system to be more like 575M and now it works, but 55 degrees...?! Forget it. Impossible. My 3200 never overheated. Do you deive with the hoods open in that heat? In France they do when it is 40 degrees!

 

[Spitfire980]

Yes normally, but make sure you can get them before you start struggling... sometimes its best to leave alone as you can ruin the block trying to get them out!

I also have some oversize thrust washers if your block needs machining

Dave

Do you have a part number for the studs? coudnt find anything

Super cool thread! 55 degrees C. is probably more than a Masersti can handle! My 550 Maranello was constantly overheating in everything above 27 degrees when stuck in traffic. Then modified the system to be more like 575M and now it works, but 55 degrees...?! Forget it. Impossible. My 3200 never overheated. Do you deive with the hoods open in that heat? In France they do when it is 40 degrees!

55c is our summer temps, It harsh weather for my forced induction cars but the 850, SL and the E34 wagon handle it ok although Iv rigged the aux fans to come on sooner to help keep things cool

I wish you could drive with the hood open! could hear the V8s and V12s sing!

 

[babel 101]

I remembered seeing a couple of videos of a scrapped out 3200 on Instagram, I contacted the guy and he refused to send me the location. Fortunately, I have a parts finder who has seen the car before he met me. I negotiated the price and sent the car over to me

141,000km and 4 vins away from mines

Here she is with her sister

I removed the heads and thank god they are safe although clearly the owner had headgasket failure with the amount of chocolate sludge

Now the question, when replacing head gaskets, any idea whether the head studs need to be replaced? the factory manual doesn't show anything and I cant find the part numbers?

My general knowledge is to replace the studs or bolts always when changing headgasket

YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO REPLACE THE SCREWS
HEAD STUD

 

[Ebenezer]

Sorry couldn't quite hear what you said..

Chapeau to the OP though. Looking forward to updates
Eb

 

[Spitfire980]

YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO REPLACE THE SCREWS
HEAD STUD

Do you have a part number?

Sorry couldn't quite hear what you said..

Chapeau to the OP though. Looking forward to updates
Eb

Thank You!

 

[GeoffCapes]

There's a lot of money in parts on that 3200. I would imagine you got it for a steal as well.

 

[Arvid]

The head studs should be 585010800

 

[Spitfire980]

There's a lot of money in parts on that 3200. I would imagine you got it for a steal as well.

Considering the prices paid in europe and the rest of the world...yes! Priority goes to fixing my car though

The head studs should be 585010800

Thanks! Lets see if I can get my hands on 20pcs

 

[A.S. Motorsport]

always great to see some one trying to save one!
I'll mail you back later in the week regarding the headgaskets.

 

[Spitfire980]

Can't find any loctite 971, has it been superseded by different number? Any advice?

Also, should I replace the headstud nuts or reuse them?

 

[Oneball]

Loxeal 55-37 is apparently a comparable substitute:

https://mascoutech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Tableau-Loctite-vs-Loxeal-0215.pdf

 

[CatmanV2]

I believe the studs are stretch so will need replacement, but perhaps someone more savvy can confirm.

C

 

[Spitfire980]

I believe the studs are stretch so will need replacement, but perhaps someone more savvy can confirm.

C

Im told by several people that the studs aren't the stretch type and can be used again as long as the thread is good. The nuts, are they re-usable?

 

[CatmanV2]

Im told by several people that the studs aren't the stretch type and can be used again as long as the thread is good. The nuts, are they re-usable?

I am probably wrong, then.

C

 

[Spitfire980]

Loxeal 55-37 is apparently a comparable substitute:

https://mascoutech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Tableau-Loctite-vs-Loxeal-0215.pdf

Cant I use loctite 243 since its oil resistent? Seems where 971 is used, its all oil contact places