Political Correctness

[CatmanV2]

If I know saying something will offend someone, I won’t say it. When did that stop?

The other part is about in some way celebrating that something you said has offended someone. Now, occasionally I have wanted to offend someone. But if I ever do it by mistake, I will always pologise

C

 

[Swedish Paul]

I'm 39 next month. When I was at school, bad things were called gay and there was a good half a dozen names to call people that al meant gay. The English kid in school was a posh **** that spoke wrong, in fact he was eventually nicknamed Braveheart, the Irish were all in the IRA, choice phrases were used to describe the place you get your sweet and sour chicken from, and the guy who owned the corner shop, who of course was Banglidesh, not Pakistan, pink was for girls and

When I was at school, I didn't know how to drive, nor what a camshaft was, nor how to change an exhaust. I didn't know how to use an internet forum, and I thought you had to move our finger in a circular motion to dial a phone number. I couldn't make pizza, or fix my lawn mower, I didn't have a clue what to do with a baby. I've learnt all of these things since, just like I've learnt to not use language that belittles entire groups of people. It really isn't that hard.

As a very simply start, if someone is struggling, you'll get a long way by applying 1 question and be done with it, especially as most of us here are white males.

Does this joke mention a group of people I don't belong to?

There are folks out there that are naturally c***ts, and should be flogged, but I have noticed that you are 39. I am 55. Amazingly, a huge cultural distance. And for me, this is an important point. We change so quickly as time moves forwards. Racism shouldn’t happen.
“In my day...” is what all our parents/grandparents say. And the older you get, the more cantankerous.
I wonder if we will be having the same conversation 20 years from now.

The other part is about in some way celebrating that something you said has offended someone. Now, occasionally I have wanted to offend someone. But if I ever do it by mistake, I will always pologise

C

pologise? I’ll have to get my dictionary. I should have paid more attention in English class...

 

[Gazcw]

There are folks out there that are naturally c***ts, and should be flogged, but I have noticed that you are 39. I am 55. Amazingly, a huge cultural distance. And for me, this is an important point. We change so quickly as time moves forwards. Racism shouldn’t happen.
“In my day...” is what all our parents/grandparents say. And the older you get, the more cantankerous.
I wonder if we will be having the same conversation 20 years from now.

pologise? I’ll have to get my dictionary. I should have paid more attention in English class...

Similar to polyjoose

 

[CatmanV2]

pologise? I’ll have to get my dictionary. I should have paid more attention in English class...

It would probably be easier if I paid more attention to my typing

Apologies!

C

 

[D Walker]

There are folks out there that are naturally c***ts, and should be flogged, but I have noticed that you are 39. I am 55. Amazingly, a huge cultural distance. And for me, this is an important point. We change so quickly as time moves forwards. Racism shouldn’t happen.
“In my day...” is what all our parents/grandparents say. And the older you get, the more cantankerous.
I wonder if we will be having the same conversation 20 years from now.

pologise? I’ll have to get my dictionary. I should have paid more attention in English class...

We wuz tort proper engerland wen r wuz in’t skol.

 

[Corranga]

This!

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I mean, I’m from neither of those generations, but then neither are you. At this point virtually no one who fought in WW2 is alive and I’d wager that photo is WW1, so not sure I get your point.

If you’re a boomer, the war generation died to protect you and offered your affordable housing, cheap cars, a full time job straight out of school and your generation thank Greta’s by voting in parties that protect the rich, want to line their pockets by selling off the NHS and can’t even agree to feed school kids, meanwhile the war generation that war generation that seems to be idolised so much learnt to live with rations of food, no luxuries, bombing raids and volunteering to go off to the slaughter, and we’re here because someone can’t get to grips with not saying something looks ‘gay’

Perspective’s a wonderful thing.

 

[Gazcw]

We wuz tort proper engerland wen r wuz in’t skol.

E neva wuz aloud into skol. Onlee du cleverist cun du teechin

 

[MarkMas]

I think we can all use language that is intentionally, casually or accidentally upsetting to other people. Some people worry about this and some don't care. And I do feel that it is probably a mistake to priorise challenging this sort of language over challenging more serious or more real harms that people do.

But it does seem me that complaining about 'political correctness gone mad' is basically saying "I want to be able to go on speaking in a way that disparages women, gay people, brown people, etc, and I'm upset by being critisised for it."

I can just about understand people who choose to go on speaking this way (we all have our habits and comforts). And I can also understand people who, when critisised, are upset (nobody likes to be told off). But I am quite mystified by people who go out of their way to complain about being criticised, or to complain about their freedom to disparage other people supposedly (but not actually) being curtailed. What battle is being fought there, and why? Why seek to proactively defend hurtful behaviour?

 

[MarkMas]

This!

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And some generations don't know the difference between your and you're.

 

[rockits]

I cannot and will not condone any knowingly or blatant offensive behaviour as that is just not acceptable in 2021.

What I do have an issue with is when something is not blatant, not knowing or so slight in the sense it is questionable it is offensive at all. If you offend one person out of 60m....is that offensive? Well yes strictly but realistically no as you will always offend someone somewhere.

I'm not saying people need to toughen up and stop being so sensitive but we do need to find a balance. Or people will stop talking or stop mixing everything up which is stopping the actual goal of bringing everyone and everything together. Kind of counter productive then and actually creates divisions rather than reducing or eradicating them. It ends up being divisive. This is surely not the goal or desired outcome.

 

[rossyl]

I cannot and will not condone any knowingly or blatant offensive behaviour as that is just not acceptable in 2021.

What I do have an issue with is when something is not blatant, not knowing or so slight in the sense it is questionable it is offensive at all. If you offend one person out of 60m....is that offensive? Well yes strictly but realistically no as you will always offend someone somewhere.

I'm not saying people need to toughen up and stop being so sensitive but we do need to find a balance. Or people will stop talking or stop mixing everything up which is stopping the actual goal of bringing everyone and everything together. Kind of counter productive then and actually creates divisions rather than reducing or eradicating them. It ends up being divisive. This is surely not the goal or desired outcome.

I don't see how what you've said is that dissimilar from what is did...?

Yes, we cannot live our lives in cotton wool. Yes, we will be offended and we will cause offence. Its human nature.

But, surely there's better things to be proud about than being proud of offending someone?
And, surely, its better to when corrected or pulled up on something, to have an open mind and genuinely consider why someone has chosen to intervene and tell you "that's not ok"?

I don't think I've told anyone what to do. More so expressed an opinion and then backed that up with my reasoning for that opinion.

An instruction is "you will" "you must" "you shall" I've posed questions, not given instructions.

Maybe you've perceived it that way. If so, it's miscommunication.

You've written "cannot and will not" which seems as 'instructive' as anything I might have.

As for...

You also seem very argumentative at the moment. Some tolerance and allowances for current circumstances might not be a bad thing.

If you can explain how what you've said is somehow more or less argumentative than what I have, then I am willing to take your point. As it stands, I do not understand how my view is argumentative and yours is somehow harmonious.

I would also implore you to live the words you write and be tolerant of my views.


It always gets so serious on these threads.



I've said, in short:
- my views and language have changed, no matter how ingrained, as I realised it caused offence

- don't be proud of offending anyone

- be open minded if someone says you have offended anyone

What's so disagreeable about those three points?

 

[safrane]

Can anyone point me in the direction of a car forum, loosely based on a passion for Italian cars and in particular Maserati?

I must have typed something else into my search engine recently because most of the recent posts on here seem to be people making personal points of one sort or another.

Now, lets Google, 'which oil should I use if I purchase a 3200?'...

 

[rossyl]

Can anyone point me in the direction of a car forum, loosely based on a passion for Italian cars and in particular Maserati?

I must have typed something else into my search engine recently because most of the recent posts on here seem to be people making personal points of one sort or another.

Now, lets Google, 'which oil should I use if I purchase a 3200?'...

Dean, with a cheeky grin on my face, let me refer you to your first comment on this thread

You know you don't have to go into a thread that you know you will have issues with? The title is pretty clear what the content will contain.

 

[alfatwo]

So when many suggest that an MX5 is a girls car or is a hairdressers car then this needs to be addressed as well?

But MX5's are a girls cars and hairdressers do like Porche Boxster's, so what!
It's not derogatory, Its a truefull fact.

Dave

 

[Phil H]

Can anyone point me in the direction of a car forum, loosely based on a passion for Italian cars and in particular Maserati?

I must have typed something else into my search engine recently because most of the recent posts on here seem to be people making personal points of one sort or another.

Now, lets Google, 'which oil should I use if I purchase a 3200?'...

Silly silly silly, EVERYONE knows it's Selenia. Are you just just being provocative?

PH

 

[MarkMas]

I cannot and will not condone any knowingly or blatant offensive behaviour.....

Yes, a bit of mild banter or 'incorrect' language can be ignored, although you could argue (on the broken window theory) that to let things slide for the sake of not being priggish, risks opening the door to condoning more unpleasant behavior.

But the whole "It's terrible that I'm not allowed to say what I want" business seems like a desire to legitimise unpleasantness for base reasons.

 

[RobinL]

So one of my stepsons was traditionally 'normal' and of he went to University in London. Fast forward 3 years and he returned to the north as vegetarian, bi-sexual and in debt to the tune of £50,000.

I'm not sure which part I find hardest to deal with but I suspect it's the student debt as he has taken the view that provided he earns below the threshold then it's not something he needs to worry about!

So 'Opinions'

we were having a 'discussion' and he accused me of not respecting his opinions. I replied that the day he bought either a coffee for his mum, or a beer for me would be the day I acknowledged he might have an opinion that I could consider.

He has reached 29 now and still hasn't qualified.

Does this make me a bad person?

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[alfatwo]

Silly silly silly, EVERYONE knows it's Selenia. Are you just just being provocative?

PH

Didn't she read the news a few year back!

Dave

 

[rockits]

So one of my stepsons was traditionally 'normal' and of he went to University in London. Fast forward 3 years and he returned to the north as vegetarian, bi-sexual and in debt to the tune of £50,000.

I'm not sure which part I find hardest to deal with but I suspect it's the student debt as he has taken the view that provided he earns below the threshold then it's not something he needs to worry about!

So 'Opinions'

we were having a 'discussion' and he accused me of not respecting his opinions. I replied that the day he bought either a coffee for his mum, or a beer for me would be the day I acknowledged he might have an opinion that I could consider.

He has reached 29 now and still hasn't qualified.

Does this make me a bad person?

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It doesn't make you a bad person in my eyes.

I guess it is this sense of entitlement that many seem to have and not sure where it came from or when it happened.

I come from pretty a pretty humble grounded background and still have this today and will have it forever. As will our kids. We were taught right from wrong and understood you get nothing and have to graft for everything.

Maybe he has it right and you have it wrong?! I ask myself the same question.

 

[Navcorr]

Didn't she read the news a few year back!

Dave

She did Wogan too - figuratively speaking.