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Yes, but you could also have a warehouse full of Ferrari 250 GT Lussos for the price of a single, solitary Ferrari 250 GTO. The same thinking applies here...
 
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I’ve yet to drive a Cup, but from everything I’ve absorbed it’s very different to a normal Ghibli II, especially the export market 2.8-litre ones. Not only does it have the Italian-market size 2.0-litre engine (something us Brits never got in RHD), which has entirely different characteristics (more power, comes in much further in the Rev range), but it is developed even further thanks to bespoke roller bearing turbos to provide 335bhp, more than even the Open Cup race cars. Then there are the changes to the suspension setup. Add in the interior/rarity and it adds up to much more.
All the magazine articles I’ve read when researching this saw a clear difference between it and the standard car.
Then again, it’s a dream car for me, whereas a 360 just isn’t. A great thing to drive, but just another mid-engined Ferrari.
 
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A Cup is not that different to a 2.0 GT Ghibli.
The turbos help with spool up times so the car feels a bit more lively, and the only difference in the suspension is lower stiffer springs.

I think the premium asked for Cup cars over 2.0 GT Ghiblis at the moment is completely unreasonable.
 
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dt95aac said:
A Cup is not that different to a 2.0 GT Ghibli.
The turbos help with spool up times so the car feels a bit more lively, and the only difference in the suspension is lower stiffer springs.

I think the premium asked for Cup cars over 2.0 GT Ghiblis at the moment is completely unreasonable.
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Yes, but you can’t get a 2.0-litre GT in RHD, so the difference between a UK GT and a Cup is more marked.

Different matter with LHD.
 
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Nayf said:
All the magazine articles I’ve read when researching this saw a clear difference between it and the standard car.
Then again, it’s a dream car for me, whereas a 360 just isn’t. A great thing to drive, but just another mid-engined Ferrari.
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I get this logic, many friends of mine try to argue that an SZ is not double the value of a properly sorted GTV 6 or even 75 and in fact that both can be made faster and better handling but to me it's a heart over head thing, I still remember all reviews in Car, Performance Car, Fast Lane etc. and these set the desire to the point when I had the money I bought one.
 
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zagatoes30 said:
I get this logic, many friends of mine try to argue that an SZ is not double the value of a properly sorted GTV 6 or even 75 and in fact that both can be made faster and better handling but to me it's a heart over head thing, I still remember all reviews in Car, Performance Car, Fast Lane etc. and these set the desire to the point when I had the money I bought one.
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This is true - I drove a well-sorted 75 with all the Alex Jupe trimmings and it was wonderful.
I’ve not driven an SZ, but I imagine a freshly sorted 75 will be ‘better’, but it still isn’t an SZ. To put that into perspective, the chap I borrowed the 75 had an SZ too.

There’s so much more to the SZ than the way it looks anyway - not only is it lighter (from what I remember), but it also has a suspension directly transplanted from the 75 IMSA race cars and personally honed by Giorgio Pianta of the Lancia Rally Team fame...
 
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dt95aac said:
A Cup is not that different to a 2.0 GT Ghibli.
The turbos help with spool up times so the car feels a bit more lively, and the only difference in the suspension is lower stiffer springs.

I think the premium asked for Cup cars over 2.0 GT Ghiblis at the moment is completely unreasonable.
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You have it the wrong way round...

The Cup is priced correctly, the low price of the other Ghiblis is the ridiculous part !!
 
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Nayf said:
There’s so much more to the SZ than the way it looks anyway - not only is it lighter (from what I remember), ..
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You would have thought so but a 75 3.0 is normally quoted ay 1250KGs where as the SZ is 1256KGs which considering most of everything behind the rear axle and rear seats have been removed is strange.
 
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dt95aac said:
A Cup is not that different to a 2.0 GT Ghibli.
The turbos help with spool up times so the car feels a bit more lively, and the only difference in the suspension is lower stiffer springs.

I think the premium asked for Cup cars over 2.0 GT Ghiblis at the moment is completely unreasonable.
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I agree completely. Other than a slightly stiffer ride and slightly better brakes, the Cup really isn't much better than a 2.0 GT, the difference in power is only 24bhp which is almost imperceptible on the road. A 2.0 GT is 95% as good as a Cup but is at least a third of the price. That's not to say that the Cup is overpriced, perhaps the GTs are undervalued, after all they're still very rare with only 166 2.0 GTs being produced.

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Yes, but you can’t get a 2.0-litre GT in RHD, so the difference between a UK GT and a Cup is more marked.

Different matter with LHD.
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There is one known RHD 2.0 GT in the UK, chassis number ZAM336B00*00400162. 2 litre RHD cars were available in markets outside of the UK such as Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand, Cyprus and New Zealand but most of these were MY94s, and none were GTs but they would still make an interesting comparison to a Cup. Earlier cars are lighter than GTs and you may even find that in a straight line at least, an early 2.0 is faster than a Cup.

LHD cars drive much better than RHD cars and with a very few exceptions, most RHD cars in the UK are absolute junk and best avoided anyway. If you were to drive a Cup and a 2.8 GT back to back you would notice a big difference, the 2.8 will pull much more strongly from lower in the rev range and is therefore easier to exploit. The Cup engine needs to be revved to get the best out of it and its only the better turbo response and additional shove at the top end where you really feel the better performance of the Cup. If you were to drive a LHD Cup back to back with a LHD 2.0 GT you would wonder why the Cup has so much hype, they really are almost identical other than a slightly softer ride on the GT.
 
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Earlier cars are lighter than GTs and you may even find that in a straight line at least, an early 2.0 is faster than a Cup.
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I imagine the weight difference is due to the much beefier rear subframe and diff, right?

Due to the tax system quite a lot 2.0l Ghiblis where sold in Greece.
Rumour (spread by the Greek Maserati dealer) has it that the early 2.0 distributor cars had 306hp but the later coil on plug cars had 326hp.

I agree that non Cup Ghiblis are underpriced at the moment.
The general lack of new parts and factory support are not helping with this at all.
 
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