Need Support Buying a Maserati 4200 CC

Jembalino

Jembalino

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Hi Everyone.
I am new to this forum and after having a chat with a very helpful Matt at SportsItalia he suggested I ask if anyone in the Birmingham/Oldbury B68 ADA area would be able to assist me by coming to view the above vehicle. I would be very grateful as I feel quite out of my depth and someone's support would be invaluable to me. I am happy to pick anyone up and compensate for their time and knowledge. Just a little info on the car. It is at a dealership having a few repairs. I have put down a refundable deposit. Once the work is done I have opportunity to view and test drive the car again. There is a ticking noise coming from the camshaft area which Matt has given me some ideas and also on the MOT the front discs are mentioned as an advisory as pitted and worn. The salesman says to ignore the ticking as it is 'normal'. And he is disinclined to change the front discs but is changing the rear ones. Of course, as I have little knowledge I don't really know what to look out for. Thanks for your time in reading this post. Kind regards. Jem
 
Hawk13

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My advice would be to pay for a full PPI.

Actually (based on what you have written above) my advice would be to tell the salesman to stick his "they all do that sir" lines up his ar$e and to ask why he thinks it appropriate for a car to be sold with an advisory on brake discs.
 
Jembalino

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Hawk13 said:
My advice would be to pay for a full PPI.

Actually (based on what you have written above) my advice would be to tell the salesman to stick his "they all do that sir" lines up his ar$e and to ask why he thinks it appropriate for a car to be sold with an advisory on brake discs.
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Hi Hawk13,
Yes, I agree with you. I would have expected that the front discs would be replaced as the rear ones are being replaced for exactly the same issue!
 
tokyomb

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I would be inclined to pay Migliore in Bromsgrove to do a PPI for you if they were willing/available.

Only danger being that they find something and the selling dealer is not willing to do the work or move the price.
 
Saigon

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Jembalino said:
Hi Everyone.
I am new to this forum and after having a chat with a very helpful Matt at SportsItalia he suggested I ask if anyone in the Birmingham/Oldbury B68 ADA area would be able to assist me by coming to view the above vehicle. I would be very grateful as I feel quite out of my depth and someone's support would be invaluable to me. I am happy to pick anyone up and compensate for their time and knowledge. Just a little info on the car. It is at a dealership having a few repairs. I have put down a refundable deposit. Once the work is done I have opportunity to view and test drive the car again. There is a ticking noise coming from the camshaft area which Matt has given me some ideas and also on the MOT the front discs are mentioned as an advisory as pitted and worn. The salesman says to ignore the ticking as it is 'normal'. And he is disinclined to change the front discs but is changing the rear ones. Of course, as I have little knowledge I don't really know what to look out for. Thanks for your time in reading this post. Kind regards. Jem
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You say he is replacing the rear discs, so I’m assuming it failed (or would have failed) the MOT on rear discs, otherwise why is he replacing them. But the front ones just remain as an advisory. If that’s the case then you are aware of the advisory, and can base your decision to purchase accordingly, very many folks buy cars with an advisory. As far as the ticking noise is concerned and specifically the salesman’s advice to ignore the ticking noise, well that would put me off straight away. Not just the ticking noise, but his statement that is normal, it’s definitely not normal. It might be a minor or a major issue, but definitely not normal. If you have to replace the front discs before the next MOT then live with that probability. But abnormal noises (from any area) especially the engine are an indication of trouble. There is something wrong with it, have an independent check carried out, or just leave it, that’s what I would do.
 
Jembalino

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Saigon said:
You say he is replacing the rear discs, so I’m assuming it failed (or would have failed) the MOT on rear discs, otherwise why is he replacing them. But the front ones just remain as an advisory. If that’s the case then you are aware of the advisory, and can base your decision to purchase accordingly, very many folks buy cars with an advisory. As far as the ticking noise is concerned and specifically the salesman’s advice to ignore the ticking noise, well that would put me off straight away. Not just the ticking noise, but his statement that is normal, it’s definitely not normal. It might be a minor or a major issue, but definitely not normal. If you have to replace the front discs before the next MOT then live with that probability. But abnormal noises (from any area) especially the engine are an indication of trouble. There is something wrong with it, have an independent check carried out, or just leave it, that’s what I would do.
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Hi Saigon, thanks for your reply. Strangely the rear discs is an advisory also. Yes, I was also very concerned about the remark regarding the possible ticking cam/lifter noise but I guess typical sales patter.
 
spkennyuk

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Ticking noise could be the inner and outerskin of the exhaust manifold. If it is that its annoying but goes away once its warmed up. Can be fixed with a spot weld to join the inner and outer skin again.

It could also be the lifters or possibly the oil is too thin.

Either way it is not normal but may not be a huge concern if it is just the exhaust manifold ticking.

There are a couple of threads on the exhaust manifold issue and fix.

Have a look at this thread but post 12 in particular.

 
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Saigon

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If both front and rear were just an advisory, but they are replacing the rear only it’s strange. But at least you know the rear are replaced (for what ever reason). You can then budget for the front ones before next MOT. So you could realistically live with that, but why not look for a 4200 that doesn’t have any ticking engine noises and doesn’t require new discs at all. The car looks very nice but I would rather have peace of mind, obviously something is not quite one hundred present, not the way to start off for that price.
 
Jembalino

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spkennyuk said:
Ticking noise could be the inner and outerskin of the exhaust manifold. If it is that its annoying but goes away once its warmed up. Can be fixed with a spot weld to join the inner and outer skin again.

It could also be the lifters or possibly the oil is too thin.

Either way it is not normal but may not be a huge concern if it is just the exhaust manifold ticking.

There are a couple of threads on the exhaust manifold issue and fix.

Have a look at this thread but post 12 in particular.

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When the car was presented it had travelled from a different location (local, 10 minutes away) and the engine was warm but switched off. I spent 20 minutes looking it over inside and out, engine obviously cooling. The car started ok and I took it for a good 50 minute test drive. Traffic was rubbish but I opened it up briefly over the drive when I could. It was hot when I returned to the dealership forecourt and I let it tick over for a few minutes. There was no ticking then it started to tick from the right bank/camshaft area. I pointed this out to the salesman and he revved the engine up and the tick went away. I said that it possibly could be oil starvation due to a blockage in the oil feed to the lifters and he said no. Within a minute the ticking returned. (Matt, after consideration I think the ticking did correspond to engine revs). The following day I returned to the dealership and the salesman said he had spoken to a Ferrari contact at Ferrari Nottingham (Mario) and he has stated that it was normal with this engine. As Saigon says, and I agree, something is not right.
 
Jembalino

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Jembalino said:
When the car was presented it had travelled from a different location (local, 10 minutes away) and the engine was warm but switched off. I spent 20 minutes looking it over inside and out, engine obviously cooling. The car started ok and I took it for a good 50 minute test drive. Traffic was rubbish but I opened it up briefly over the drive when I could. It was hot when I returned to the dealership forecourt and I let it tick over for a few minutes. There was no ticking then it started to tick from the right bank/camshaft area. I pointed this out to the salesman and he revved the engine up and the tick went away. I said that it possibly could be oil starvation due to a blockage in the oil feed to the lifters and he said no. Within a minute the ticking returned. (Matt, after consideration I think the ticking did correspond to engine revs). The following day I returned to the dealership and the salesman said he had spoken to a Ferrari contact at Ferrari Nottingham (Mario) and he has stated that it was normal with this engine. As Saigon says, and I agree, something is not right.
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Hi spkennyuk, PS thank you for your reply, I appreciate your advice.
 
nickmarsh

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Jembalino said:
When the car was presented it had travelled from a different location (local, 10 minutes away) and the engine was warm but switched off. I spent 20 minutes looking it over inside and out, engine obviously cooling. The car started ok and I took it for a good 50 minute test drive. Traffic was rubbish but I opened it up briefly over the drive when I could. It was hot when I returned to the dealership forecourt and I let it tick over for a few minutes. There was no ticking then it started to tick from the right bank/camshaft area. I pointed this out to the salesman and he revved the engine up and the tick went away. I said that it possibly could be oil starvation due to a blockage in the oil feed to the lifters and he said no. Within a minute the ticking returned. (Matt, after consideration I think the ticking did correspond to engine revs). The following day I returned to the dealership and the salesman said he had spoken to a Ferrari contact at Ferrari Nottingham (Mario) and he has stated that it was normal with this engine. As Saigon says, and I agree, something is not right.
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I assume you didn’t purchase the 4200 as I see it’s advertised again?


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Jembalino

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Hi Nick,
Thank you for your message. No, I didn't buy the vehicle. I arranged for Vic at Migliore to do an inspection and the ticking was an issue that needed investigating which would have cost money and BMW were not quick to offer a fix. The new handbrake cable that BMW had fitted was fitted incorrectly and the handbrake didn't work. (Possibly the wrong cable as there are two types) And the vehicle was missing its rear anti roll bar and evidence showed that it had been missing for some time. (Incredible). I walked away.
 
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