McLaren GT

iainw

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Happy birthday young man......
I just don’t get that offering in any way. Almost a step back in styling. Wouldn’t have thought many aspiring mclaren owners would want a GT like that (all personal opinion). Would have to be an aston all day. And no doubt would lose a boat load of cash compared to a Ferrari alternative (of which there are none!)
 

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I just don’t get that offering in any way. Almost a step back in styling. Wouldn’t have thought many aspiring mclaren owners would want a GT like that (all personal opinion). Would have to be an aston all day. And no doubt would lose a boat load of cash compared to a Ferrari alternative (of which there are none!)
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How do you find the DB11, have AM finally sorted their reliability issues. I have heard all sorts of horror stories, and whilst I'm not in a position to buy a car like that, given how fussy I am, despite being a beautiful car, I would feel sick having spent that kind of money and find that an average Korean car is better made.
For example I heard the air scoops behind the front wheels on the upper wing get filthy.
 

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How do you find the DB11, have AM finally sorted their reliability issues. I have heard all sorts of horror stories, and whilst I'm not in a position to buy a car like that, given how fussy I am, despite being a beautiful car, I would feel sick having spent that kind of money and find that an average Korean car is better made.
For example I heard the air scoops behind the front wheels on the upper wing get filthy.

Genuinely intrigued by the 'horror stories' comment as it is not backed up by me or any owners I know. I have done 40K miles in Astons and, apart from tyres and servicing, have had just a sat nav aerial and wing mirror motor replaced, all under warranty along with some paint and trim issues addressed without quibble. My Maseratis on the other hand I could write a book......

And also quoting the car gets 'filthy' is whilst an aesthetic issue that I too would dislike a lot, it is hardly a reliability issue or thing of horror :)
 

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For me this was the best looking McLaren............The F1
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think they were about 500k when new and now fetching in the millions, mr bean had one in a nasty brown/burgundy type colour and he pretty much totalled it and then convinced the insurance company to repair it and if I remember correctly something in the region of over a million in repair costs
 

iainw

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Genuinely intrigued by the 'horror stories' comment as it is not backed up by me or any owners I know. I have done 40K miles in Astons and, apart from tyres and servicing, have had just a sat nav aerial and wing mirror motor replaced, all under warranty along with some paint and trim issues addressed without quibble. My Maseratis on the other hand I could write a book......

And also quoting the car gets 'filthy' is whilst an aesthetic issue that I too would dislike a lot, it is hardly a reliability issue or thing of horror :)

After owning 2 Ferrari’s recently I am horrified how reliable the aston is. Is totally boring. Everything works as it should , no engine lights ever come on, it’s packed to the teeth with high tech safety and audio visual equipment and the first free service (with a comprehensive video emailed to me) threw up no problems. I am considering going back to ferrari as I quite liked the excitement of never knowing when I would see ‘stop the car immediately and send to dealer’ sign or when I would smell something burning and wonder how long I had to live...

And yes, occasionally if it is wet and you drive over some dirt the great looking air vents in the front get splattered. But I am too busy looking at the beauty of the rest of the car to notice. When it’s sunny it’s not a problem
 

iainw

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After owning 2 Ferrari’s recently I am horrified how reliable the aston is. Is totally boring. Everything works as it should , no engine lights ever come on, it’s packed to the teeth with high tech safety and audio visual equipment and the first free service (with a comprehensive video emailed to me) threw up no problems. I am considering going back to ferrari as I quite liked the excitement of never knowing when I would see ‘stop the car immediately and send to dealer’ sign or when I would smell something burning and wonder how long I had to live...

And yes, occasionally if it is wet and you drive over some dirt the great looking air vents in the front get splattered. But I am too busy looking at the beauty of the rest of the car to notice. When it’s sunny it’s not a problem

Holy moly... I just read your comment about Korean cars being better made!

I have owned BMWs, Mercedes , Porsche’s , a maserati and 2 Ferrari’s and this is another level of build quality , equipment and practicality whilst looking stunning. The quality of the interior materials and how it is put together and drives has shocked me. I got a lot of stick for having the Ferrari’s but global appreciation for the Aston. Personally I wouldn’t have a V12 DB11 in a low spec, but the V8 in a high spec is the closest I have got to finding a good looking sports car that can pass as a GT for small adults and young children in the back. It’s the first car I have owned which has drawn genuine appreciation from my wife- we drove down to London and back in it and she finally admitted it was worth the money.
 

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I hate it. But like some others here, I hate all McLarens except the Marlboro liveried F1 cars of the distant past. Bland, badly built, sound rubbish, all look the same, no differentiation between products.

I think their holiday period as a new sportscar manufacturer is over and the range confusion and depreciation is now a major major issue for them. Combine that with the embarrassing F1 results and they are not the super clean, Apple like engineering entity that they were once viewed as being.

A close family member is head of legal at the UK's largest McLaren dealership. He says it is the worst brand to them all deal with (they sell about 20 major brands), has the most complaints per unit sold and has the lowest confidence for resolving issues. Number 1 problem is paint quality but that's the tip of the iceberg.

I get why some people like them but really, you'd need to have your head examined to choose one over several other, more sorted and established brands.

Did I say I hate them?
 

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I hate it. But like some others here, I hate all McLarens except the Marlboro liveried F1 cars of the distant past. Bland, badly built, sound rubbish, all look the same, no differentiation between products.

I think their holiday period as a new sportscar manufacturer is over and the range confusion and depreciation is now a major major issue for them. Combine that with the embarrassing F1 results and they are not the super clean, Apple like engineering entity that they were once viewed as being.

A close family member is head of legal at the UK's largest McLaren dealership. He says it is the worst brand to them all deal with (they sell about 20 major brands), has the most complaints per unit sold and has the lowest confidence for resolving issues. Number 1 problem is paint quality but that's the tip of the iceberg.

I get why some people like them but really, you'd need to have your head examined to choose one over several other, more sorted and established brands.

Did I say I hate them?

Yes, but how do you really feel?
 

lifes2short

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I hate it. But like some others here, I hate all McLarens except the Marlboro liveried F1 cars of the distant past. Bland, badly built, sound rubbish, all look the same, no differentiation between products.

I think their holiday period as a new sportscar manufacturer is over and the range confusion and depreciation is now a major major issue for them. Combine that with the embarrassing F1 results and they are not the super clean, Apple like engineering entity that they were once viewed as being.

A close family member is head of legal at the UK's largest McLaren dealership. He says it is the worst brand to them all deal with (they sell about 20 major brands), has the most complaints per unit sold and has the lowest confidence for resolving issues. Number 1 problem is paint quality but that's the tip of the iceberg.

I get why some people like them but really, you'd need to have your head examined to choose one over several other, more sorted and established brands.

Did I say I hate them?
safely assume not on your bucket list then:saifi:
 

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I hate it. But like some others here, I hate all McLarens except the Marlboro liveried F1 cars of the distant past. Bland, badly built, sound rubbish, all look the same, no differentiation between products.

I think their holiday period as a new sportscar manufacturer is over and the range confusion and depreciation is now a major major issue for them. Combine that with the embarrassing F1 results and they are not the super clean, Apple like engineering entity that they were once viewed as being.

A close family member is head of legal at the UK's largest McLaren dealership. He says it is the worst brand to them all deal with (they sell about 20 major brands), has the most complaints per unit sold and has the lowest confidence for resolving issues. Number 1 problem is paint quality but that's the tip of the iceberg.

I get why some people like them but really, you'd need to have your head examined to choose one over several other, more sorted and established brands.

Did I say I hate them?

If embarrassing F1 results drive your purchasing decision, you should be buying a dull old mans Mercedes!

The 650S is one of the most capable and surprising cars I have ever driven. Spookily natural (that seems to scare some away, which I can understand). If money had not been invented, removing depreciation, I'd have a 650s over a Pista. (I have driven both). The depreciation is the killer though, I agree!
 

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How do you find the DB11, have AM finally sorted their reliability issues. I have heard all sorts of horror stories, and whilst I'm not in a position to buy a car like that, given how fussy I am, despite being a beautiful car, I would feel sick having spent that kind of money and find that an average Korean car is better made.
For example I heard the air scoops behind the front wheels on the upper wing get filthy.
I think they have sorted out the reliability issues, not really heard too much recently. However around 7 to 8 years ago when I had the Tuscan, a friend also had one, and his father had an Aston. We were always being berated for running TVRs and all the woe that went with them. Truth be that Aston was in the garage more than it was on the road.
 

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There is a chap in Chepstow who has many cars. See him about in a number of them and often have a chat to him usually in the petrol station when putting fuel in....He has a 570S and loves it....He uses it more than some if his other exotics and the only thing he moaned about was servicing and price parts. other than that he never has an issue........Oh he has a Bugatti EB10 as well .....
 

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I can never work out what half these cars are these days. To my eyes any Macca's look the same apart from the bonkers ones like a Senna.

Many Aston's look quite similar although I do love them. Starting to find it hard to tell what Fezza is what and what Lambo is what.

Aren't they all makeing their models a little too similar? Or are my eyes just getting totally rubbish?!
 

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If I was in the right league I would have a McLaren in the blink of an eye, I love there understated design but this one is not, IMO, their best.

A 570GT or an MP4 12C would do me just fine
 

keith

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Holy moly... I just read your comment about Korean cars being better made!

I have owned BMWs, Mercedes , Porsche’s , a maserati and 2 Ferrari’s and this is another level of build quality , equipment and practicality whilst looking stunning. The quality of the interior materials and how it is put together and drives has shocked me. I got a lot of stick for having the Ferrari’s but global appreciation for the Aston. Personally I wouldn’t have a V12 DB11 in a low spec, but the V8 in a high spec is the closest I have got to finding a good looking sports car that can pass as a GT for small adults and young children in the back. It’s the first car I have owned which has drawn genuine appreciation from my wife- we drove down to London and back in it and she finally admitted it was worth the money.

Clearly things have improved with the latest generation, no doubt with the benefit of Mercedes technology.
The reason for my comments were based on bodyshops and detailers who heavily criticised the paintwork as being well below standard, although they were equally critical of Ferrari. And the ownership experience of a client who bought a Vantage from new:-
The brake discs needed to be continually skimmed to stop them from squealing like you were dragging an unfortunate pedestrian underneath the car. AM told him it was a sports car and unless you drive aggressively this can be expected.
The rear diff also made some terrible sounds when the car was driven slowly on full lock.
Various electrical gremlins including inoperative Sat Nav.
Then, when as a courtesy to him, I would arrange the garage visits - from memory possibly Stratstones ( you had to do anything you could to keep your clients happy as a Currency Broker ), I questioned the cost of the service when the car was a month old, as so little work was being done, and the advisor agreed and said but we can charge that because our customers can afford it!!
Perhaps to put some clarity into what I said, AM is by its nature not a company with the resources to thoroughly develop out all the little issues that one of the big boys VAG or BMW with Bentley Lamborghini or Rolls Royce can afford to do. This is why previous gen AM's would rely on out of date switchgear and controls from say a Jaguar. Thankfully as I say with Mercedes input these issues are clearly being sorted.
I think Aston's are great British cars, and can definitely take the fight to Ferrari as is the case with McLaren, but when I looked at a Rapids (IMO one of the most stunning four door cars on the road) and discovered a Manuel fly off hand brake and an ex Jaguar Manuel steering wheel adjustment lever I realized they simply didn't have the money behind them to make something truly modern and competitive. But from what your saying it appears they have turned a corner.
Whilst criticised heavily in the U.S the latest Maserati s benefit from the thoroughly developed tech of Chrysler, which is maybe why in my case in nearly four years my Ghibli has remained pretty much fault free.
In summary a small manufacturer needs the benefit of big producer and deep pockets to get all the details right.