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Agreed fecking printers , printers have been the bain of my life , i have heard it rumoured from staff at Staples office furniture that they are programmed to expire and give trouble according to their cost price or level in the market place , i never seem to have one longer than a year , in the last 10 years , my previous ones used to last a darn site longer

As a gold miner Loz; I'm sure you only admire printer manufacturers in being able to convince the world that ink and toner is more valuable than the precious metal you seek!

It is sadly not true that the price is the lever as offices find that laser consumables are just as ridiculous. I'd say I've reduced our household printing output to < 0.001% of that of the mid 2000's. I used to buy a box of paper every month and ran a colour laser that cost me nigh on £2k new. I now keep a single inkjet hidden under cr@p on the desk with jailbreaked cartridges and it gets switched on maybe once a month...
 

lozcb

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As a gold miner Loz; I'm sure you only admire printer manufacturers in being able to convince the world that ink and toner is more valuable than the precious metal you seek!

It is sadly not true that the price is the lever as offices find that laser consumables are just as ridiculous. I'd say I've reduced our household printing output to < 0.001% of that of the mid 2000's. I used to buy a box of paper every month and ran a colour laser that cost me nigh on £2k new. I now keep a single inkjet hidden under cr@p on the desk with jailbreaked cartridges and it gets switched on maybe once a month...

Yeah agreed ,its the onboard software that runs the printers thats the problem, after past experiences i actually end up pre planning my printing 2-3 days in advance to counter the problems getting it up and running , normally only home for a few weeks , for me the cartridges dry up through lack of use , its a pain in the preverbials
 

rockits

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Interesting program on BBC4 HD now. The first of a two part series.

Secrets of Silicon Valley 10pm - 11pm
 

Oneball

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Dean I think there's a few layers to your thoughts.

Firstly, Chinese quality.

There are plenty of items that the Chinese make that are quality, world leading.

Top of my head...
Mobile Phones - One Plus
High Speed Trains - they are the world leaders
At an industrial level, plastics and oil products.

Further numerous parts, that then go into the making other products - Apple products being a good example.

There's quality out there. It's just maybe we won't be obviously exposed.


Secondly, consumer Chinese tat

They are the manufacturing centre of the world. They are used for creating everything. That means quality and tat.

Electric batteries in a Tesla - Expensive & Quality
Fidget Spinners - Cheap tat.

Point being it is what importers choose to buy and bring in.

Tesla could most likely get a Chinese company to produce a battery at the same quality level as the battery you bought for your Dyson. Or, they could build a world-leading battery. It's up to the company placing the order.

The Chinese could build you a titanium indestructible fidget spinner, if you ordered it and paid for it.

China have the people and manufacturing capabilities to produce quality or tat.

Further, it is up to the importers to ensure quality.

The cheap batteries, the cheap tat, the importers want to buy as much as possible, they think quantity not quality. Chinese factories are cheaper and willing to produce what the client orders.


Thirdly, what the UK public want

If I'm selling an expensive quality Chinese made Dyson replacement battery, but UK consumers are buying the cheap tat. As a seller, I'll start selling the tat as well.

The success of Primark in the UK is evidence of a love of low quality.


Fourth, capitalist culture

The greed if some sellers means they will want to sell you the lowest priced item, for the highest price. The quality might fall at the wayside.


Fifth, blaming all of that on China is unfair

I don't think I need say more in this point.
The UK want cheap tat. Importers order and sell cheap tat. The Chinese factories produce that, based on the demand for that cheap tat. If the UK demanded high quality, the Chinese would produce that - like they do for other items.

The Brits have made some great cars and some absolutely awful. That could be said for many products. Some architecture is a disaster, entire buildings barely 30 years old being knocked down is evidence of this. Buying British is no guarantee of quality, so your plans may not yield the result you are after.


Lastly, xenophobia

That was mentioned in reference to the thread in general.

Not every Chinese person is the same. I can't believe I need to type that out.

Not every British person is the same. Some I'd be happy to be compared to, others not so much. I go travelling a lot, I don't behave like a "Brit abroad".

In my view, I'd always buy what seems like the best, no matter where it comes from.

Unfortunately, that usually means not buying British.

The Chinese are not world leaders in high speed trains, their safety record is appalling, both in construction/maintenance and operation.

Most modern high speed trains are either based on British, French or Japanese technology.

Britain also has the safest rail network in the world.
 

rockits

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Interesting program on BBC4 HD now. The first of a two part series.

Secrets of Silicon Valley 10pm - 11pm
This program is very much bang on topic of what we are talking about. The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer and being exploited.
 

rockits

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Well that was a very enlightening watch showing a little on both sides. It is only what we know and see happening just the program actually reinforcing this. The positives and negatives are very real.

One thing is for sure. Some of these tech giants are becoming so big and powerful they are becoming difficult to regulate and difficult to control. I don't see how that plays out well with their current irresponsible and selfish viewpoints.

There are of course lots of potential benefits but also many negatives. Govts, regulators and independent non-biased intities need to control these giants as they cannot control themselves as they have already proved.
 

rockits

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Definitely worth watching this for anyone interested.

Even some people Wattie could relate to going completely off grid in the Canadian mountains :D
 

Silvercat

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I've pleasantly surprised that the xenophobia has been somewhat tempered.

The number of times on this thread the term "The Chinese" has been used is hilarious!
Are they all the same, think the same, produce the same...they're robots?

Are we "The English" or "the British" all the same?
Does having one British builder guarantee quality, compared to all others?
Does one British carpenter guarantee quality compared to all others?

Sweeping generalisations, should be swept straight into the dustbin, where they belong.

Quality can come from anywhere, just look for it and pay the price.

If you are buying cheap tat...well, you've made the decision and bought cheap tat!

If Lotus are built to the same standard as a Chinese Volvo, they'll be better than the British

Here's another generalisation...

British Lotus =

L ots
O f
T rouble
U sually
S erious

Chinese Volvo = Quality
I had the misfortune of having a Volvo and it turned out to be the most unreliable car I have ever had in 40 years of driving! Never again...
Certainly from my own experience, the quality of many types of consumer products coming out of Chinese factories over recent years has been declining, so as someone said on this forum, the 'race to the bottom' is already well underway.
 

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After three weeks of shortages in the local supermarkets stocks have almost returned to normal levels except for one basic item..............flour. Still none available at the big markets. Went to one of the small independents and they had flour,but only in 12.5 kilogram bags AND made in Australia by Manildra. A$20 per bag. The manager says there are now only three flour mills in Australia for a nation which exports millions of tonnes of wheat each year. The nation depends on imported flour ! So,until the imports start arriving were are short of a basic food item. Need we guess the source of imported flour ?
 

Oneball

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After three weeks of shortages in the local supermarkets stocks have almost returned to normal levels except for one basic item..............flour. Still none available at the big markets. Went to one of the small independents and they had flour,but only in 12.5 kilogram bags AND made in Australia by Manildra. A$20 per bag. The manager says there are now only three flour mills in Australia for a nation which exports millions of tonnes of wheat each year. The nation depends on imported flour ! So,until the imports start arriving were are short of a basic food item. Need we guess the source of imported flour ?

It works the other way too. Did you know China was a net importer of rice?
 

lifes2short

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After three weeks of shortages in the local supermarkets stocks have almost returned to normal levels except for one basic item..............flour. Still none available at the big markets. Went to one of the small independents and they had flour,but only in 12.5 kilogram bags AND made in Australia by Manildra. A$20 per bag. The manager says there are now only three flour mills in Australia for a nation which exports millions of tonnes of wheat each year. The nation depends on imported flour ! So,until the imports start arriving were are short of a basic food item. Need we guess the source of imported flour ?

yup hear you there, seems everyone is a bloomin baker now in the UK, the wife was having a right moan about no flour or yeast after visiting several places. even sent me out for a scavenge and to date still no flour or yeast on the shelves, I think it's still getting to the supermarkets here but shelves cleared as soon as on the shelves
 

Oneball

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Apparently it’s packaging that’s the problem the UK millers aren’t set up to package in small quantities, if you want a hundredweight there plenty to go around.
 

Evo Cymru

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yup hear you there, seems everyone is a bloomin baker now in the UK, the wife was having a right moan about no flour or yeast after visiting several places. even sent me out for a scavenge and to date still no flour or yeast on the shelves, I think it's still getting to the supermarkets here but shelves cleared as soon as on the shelves

My brother, a local farmer/contractor, has been moaning about this to me for some time. Last year was not a great harvest and with the poor autumn weather it meant very little got planted until late this spring. He forecasts even greater wheat shortages later this year so this could get worse. Of course we could still import more of it..... Also, being a farmer, he is always moaning about something that is **** (weather, imports, exports, labour shortages, price of fuel etc) so it is hard to judge when exactly he is hard up!