Hydrogen Internal Combustion Engines - could the V8 survive?

[GeoffCapes]

So what is streaming?

Can you power a car over the airwaves?

 

[Zep]

Can you power a car over the airwaves?

I agree, but then not many folk use MP3 these days either.

 

[Gooner]

So what is streaming?

Next generation public transport systems?

No car ownership. Autonomous cars linked to bus/train/ship/drone hubs. One subscription for transport and the AI works out the quickest and most convenient way to get everyone where they want to be.

 

[GeoffCapes]

I agree, but then not many folk use MP3 these days either.

Only for storage

 

[CatmanV2]

So what is streaming?

Pornhub

C

 

[Oneball]

Pornhub

C

So in summary.

Diggers>gas>DVD>streaming>pawn.

 

[Zep]

Pornhub

C

I didn’t ask “what are you streaming right now?”

 

[CatmanV2]

So in summary.

Diggers>gas>DVD>streaming>pawn.

Just another day at S(&?)M towers.

I didn’t ask “what are you streaming right now?”

Oh that was earlier.

C

 

[Oneball]

Just another day at S(&?)M towers.

C

What’s the safe word?

 

[CatmanV2]

What’s the safe word?

Mods?

C

 

[Oneball]

Mods?

C

I’m not sure you want to be calling for Phil or Crud when you’re covered in yogurt

 

[conaero]

Although I lord the idea ov V8s having a future, but feel that the worlds governments have an agenda to rid us of all combustion and make use buy a new type of vehicle just to keep capitalism moving buying stuff we replace every time a new version pops up... new Ipone anyone, just tike the last one but costs more.

This ^

The 4 stroke engine can run on Hydrogen but the capitalists want rid of this so are turning us onto electric to remove all the 4 stroke engines from circulation then push hydrogen on us. They know that we could convert rather than buy new.

Also, the hydrogen car tech will not be highly compressed pure fuel cells (H bomb) but converted on demand using stored components (water) meaning it’s safe.

I’m off to watch X files...

 

[TimR]

Nothing to do with Greta Thunberg then...!>!?!?!
Le(a)d by Donkeys.

 

[zagatoes30]

So in summary.

Diggers>gas>DVD>streaming>pawn.

Classic but not surprising

 

[mjheathcote]

Next generation public transport systems?

No car ownership. Autonomous cars linked to bus/train/ship/drone hubs. One subscription for transport and the AI works out the quickest and most convenient way to get everyone where they want to be.

and there will be documentaries looking back on how we drove ourselves around so close to others at high speed, in opposite directions too, and how amazing we didn't (usually) hit each other!

 

[dgmx5]

Re hydrogen cars, these already exist in Japan and the Japanese government is pushing this quite hard with its investment in infrastructure. And hydorgen powered buses have been around for some time now.

If there is enough infrastructure to support it, I can see a sportscar manufacturer (either an existing company like AML or Porsche or a newly formed niche company) doing this as it will be a halo car to still have a high cylindered ICE.

Alternatively this may see a cottage industry retrofitting hydrogen fuel cells to classic cars (by which I mean recent cars like an M3, or C63, or Maserati) akin to the current EV transplants of 60s cars or the rather dated LPG conversions of Range Rovers.

 

[midlifecrisis]

There's a hydrogen 'filling' station at the Shell at Gatwick. The only one I've seen at present.

I'm all for hydrogen, but bio fuels should not be dismissed either. I'm not talking about rapeseed oil depriving space for food crops (1st Gen) but 3rd gen, using algae but even that has its downsides.

The things is we have to look at the bigger picture of fuelling transportation. Oil in its various forms has been a very convenient fuel, from heavy oil for ships to kerosene for aircraft. I don't think we'll have a singular solution for fuelling such a wide array of transport. Electric vehicles will be good for short trips to the shops in a small car but useless for aircraft.

Designers will have to get smart though with new designs. The weight of a hydrogen tank could be incorporated in the design of new vehicles, instead of counter wieghts on a fork lift use the fuel cylinder. Likewise electric ships, use the heavy weight of batteries as permanent ballast.

I don't think the world will go cold turkey on Oil, just reduce its consumption over a long period of time.

 

[GeoffCapes]

Re hydrogen cars, these already exist in Japan and the Japanese government is pushing this quite hard with its investment in infrastructure. And hydorgen powered buses have been around for some time now.

If there is enough infrastructure to support it, I can see a sportscar manufacturer (either an existing company like AML or Porsche or a newly formed niche company) doing this as it will be a halo car to still have a high cylindered ICE.

Alternatively this may see a cottage industry retrofitting hydrogen fuel cells to classic cars (by which I mean recent cars like an M3, or C63, or Maserati) akin to the current EV transplants of 60s cars or the rather dated LPG conversions of Range Rovers.

There are hydrogen powered buses in London already.

 

[GeoffCapes]

There's a hydrogen 'filling' station at the Shell at Gatwick. The only one I've seen at present.

I'm all for hydrogen, but bio fuels should not be dismissed either. I'm not talking about rapeseed oil depriving space for food crops (1st Gen) but 3rd gen, using algae but even that has its downsides.

The things is we have to look at the bigger picture of fuelling transportation. Oil in its various forms has been a very convenient fuel, from heavy oil for ships to kerosene for aircraft. I don't think we'll have a singular solution for fuelling such a wide array of transport. Electric vehicles will be good for short trips to the shops in a small car but useless for aircraft.

Designers will have to get smart though with new designs. The weight of a hydrogen tank could be incorporated in the design of new vehicles, instead of counter wieghts on a fork lift use the fuel cylinder. Likewise electric ships, use the heavy weight of batteries as permanent ballast.

I don't think the world will go cold turkey on Oil, just reduce its consumption over a long period of time.

There's been a hydrogen pump at the BP on the Ongar Road in Brentwood for donkeys years, I believe it was the first one installed in the country.
I used to see a 7 Series BMW fill up there from time to time.

For ships Biofuels look like they are the way to go, a friend of mine is in that industry and there is a big push for Biofuels to be used.
Maersk have just signed up for a 3 year supply for some of their ships in Asia.
Apparently the industry is worth 300 billion a year so there's certainly money in it if the tech is right.

 

[Gazcw]

The best analogy I've heard for fuel sources is this.

Petrol is vinyl. Been around for donkeys years and everyone hankers after them and reminisces about them even though they have flaws.
Electric is a CD. The next big thing, but limited in what you can do, popular for a while, until newer technology took over.
Hydrogen is MP3. ......

Is Nuclear MP4 then?

So in summary.

Diggers>gas>DVD>streaming>pawn.

Disappointingly long.