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midlifecrisis
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Classic car valuation is primarily based on nostalgia and provenance. The Maseratis of the 80's and 90's were largely forgotten as BMW dominated the sector. Even the low spec 190E aren't that highly regarded. A quick look on classic cars reveals mercs at £3k to £15k for AMG models. However E30 M3 start at £50k.
BMWs were also reliable and Maseratis as fragile.
BMWs were also reliable and Maseratis as fragile.
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the problem is the car has to become somehow desirable, and rare. if not many were made because they were rubbish and no-one wanted them then the allure is not there. this is an area I never understood really, I mean there are some cars that i can see are just wonderful and rightly commmand huge prices like the Maserati 3500, and then stuff like old Austin Allegros, which were just rubbish. hard to work out the rules here as I susepct there are no rules, its all really very, very subjective
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A lot of more reasonable classics, i.e. under £25k are driven by youthful desire. When we were teenagers there were certain cars that were special but always just out of reach, now some of us have benefitted from our chosen careers and have a bit more spare cash and these cars are now within grasp. Hence we look with rose tinted specs and look to buy what we couldn't in the day. Of any age there were probably more who wanted that fast Ford, the GTi or GTE of the range, the one with a Turbo badge and these classic prices have been pushed upwards. Other truly great cars have increased even more 911s, UR Quattros and the M3 as these are game chaining cars then and now.
Unfortunately Maserati have only been for the few and hence only the few wanted them back in the day and want them today which is why the prices are stagnant until recently Alfas were the same and in fact in most cases Lancia still our. Very few people outside a die hard Maserati fan will even understand the difference between a 222SE or SR from any other Biturbo so we can't expect these to differ much in price. As above it is supply & demand but the the demand is the key issue, it must be wanted by many to drive the market.
Unfortunately Maserati have only been for the few and hence only the few wanted them back in the day and want them today which is why the prices are stagnant until recently Alfas were the same and in fact in most cases Lancia still our. Very few people outside a die hard Maserati fan will even understand the difference between a 222SE or SR from any other Biturbo so we can't expect these to differ much in price. As above it is supply & demand but the the demand is the key issue, it must be wanted by many to drive the market.
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It does not help prices when Clarkson dropped a skip on one.
That sort of statement kills the market for them. People will only remember them for that act.
That sort of statement kills the market for them. People will only remember them for that act.
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He also bought and wrecked the Bi Turbo I was tracking down to buy after missing out on it previously.
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zagatoes30
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I rest my case
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Some idiot will buy it! It won't be me I'm afraid.
I can half understand Cosworth's and the RS Turbo being worth more than nothing but an XR3 or XR3i? They were rubbish back then and unless by some weired turn of maturing fate they have got better.. they are still rubbish.
When an XR3i maybe 20 years ago was worth scrap money how is it worth 10k or more now?
I can half understand Cosworth's and the RS Turbo being worth more than nothing but an XR3 or XR3i? They were rubbish back then and unless by some weired turn of maturing fate they have got better.. they are still rubbish.
When an XR3i maybe 20 years ago was worth scrap money how is it worth 10k or more now?
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Rose tinted specs
I had a Mk1 Mexico (named after the 1970 London-Mexico rally which a RS Twin Cam won) back in the day (in fact I had a few) they were mass produced 2 door box with a 1.6 engine producing about 80 BHP. They were cheap and felt it, in fact one of mine was only 4 years old and you could feel the body flex when cornering.
At the same time you could have a little 2 door coupe from Italy, only 1.3 but 93 BHP, 5 speed gearbox and all round disc brakes but would have to pay nearly half as much again at £2100. The Lancia Fulvia was expensive in it's day partly due to import tax but partly due to the quality of its materials. There was also a rally inspired model the Monte Carlo which today are around £25k which most of you know i own.
Take it from me there is no comparison.
I had a Mk1 Mexico (named after the 1970 London-Mexico rally which a RS Twin Cam won) back in the day (in fact I had a few) they were mass produced 2 door box with a 1.6 engine producing about 80 BHP. They were cheap and felt it, in fact one of mine was only 4 years old and you could feel the body flex when cornering.
At the same time you could have a little 2 door coupe from Italy, only 1.3 but 93 BHP, 5 speed gearbox and all round disc brakes but would have to pay nearly half as much again at £2100. The Lancia Fulvia was expensive in it's day partly due to import tax but partly due to the quality of its materials. There was also a rally inspired model the Monte Carlo which today are around £25k which most of you know i own.
Take it from me there is no comparison.
I have an e30 , i have a Delta integrale 16v . I just find the biturbo to be a better ride then the E30 and a lot better built then the Delta. I love the car, its not troublesome as some people make out. Electrics wise everything works including the optional oil pressure gauge ....which has a mind of its own. It rides really smooth , the interior is a pleasure and it has bags of power.
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So it was although not a normal 1600 Kent but a modified 1850 version.