How bad are Diesel Massers?

Mattp

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You can get nicely specced ghiblis on autotrader for as low as 18k with 20-21 inch wheels etc and reasonable mileage. Ludicrous. Not far off Ford Focus costs. Some of them look lovely.

Their availability at this price point is really hit and miss, the other month, when I wasn't even contemplating one there was a glut! But I'm in no hurry to part with the QPV quite yet...

The main dealer offer was such a shock, and if she can pull it off (not in that way!) Quite a compelling option, slightly more viable warranty and really immaculate stock for not a huge premium over the private stuff...
 

Andyk

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You can get them retrofitted. I did. It depends on certain other options (iirc something to do with electric seats?). It cost me around 1100 parts and labour

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How much......That's not cheap is it.....Would need to find one that has one already I think.
 

Andyk

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That is nice! You think £3k wiggle room is relatively realistic on a £25k car?

The pretty lady at Lancasters reckoned the service cost for a diesel QP/Ghibli was only £500 So it is bang in line with anything German...

She also emailed last night saying that they may have a Ghibli for around £22k

22k from a Maserati dealer sounds good....Servicing at £500 better than what I seen quoted. Could justify paying 700/900 for a standard service on a diesel....
 

keith

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22k from a Maserati dealer sounds good....Servicing at £500 better than what I seen quoted. Could justify paying 700/900 for a standard service on a diesel....

Seems a little low to me. Your figures are closer to the mark from a main dealer.
Although pays to shop around.
My fourth year service is due at the end of July. HR Owen were £950 and Dick Lovett were £1250 !!!
I'll stick with Joe Macari in Wandsworth, as they have excellent technician's.
 

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Interesting thread. I think you need to be doing north of 18k miles a year to make a Ghibli diesel better value than a petrol. The petrol does 35mpg average and is worth at least 5k more like for like so you should save in depreciation what you spend on fuel. Of course petrol is 10p cheaper a little too and given the diesel backlash, that's likely to remain.

So, if it was me, I'd buy a petrol one. It drives better, sounds more Maserari and will be worth more in the end.

If I had to buy diesel, I'd buy a QP6 like the one Matt posted. There's one for sale in Glasgow that's grey with black leather, paddles and carbon at £26k and 20k on the clock.

The diesel is not bad, don't get me wrong, but if you really run the numbers, the petrol is better.
 

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Residuals on older Maseratis were very good, this later crash on current models says it all.
 

CatmanV2

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Not sure C. I know ypu see some last model QP's without them so would imagine the latest twin turbo ones it was an option. Shocking that....
There was a thread on ML about retrofitting to the QPV.....

No idea about the new ones, but you can kind of see the logic of making them optional.

C
 

Andyk

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Seems a little low to me. Your figures are closer to the mark from a main dealer.
Although pays to shop around.
My fourth year service is due at the end of July. HR Owen were £950 and Dick Lovett were £1250 !!!
I'll stick with Joe Macari in Wandsworth, as they have excellent technician's.

Silly money that for the type of car it is. My friend has Vantage and that doesn't cost him more than £600 a service and that's a V8 Sports car. Think I would find a friendly local garage as don't se why a standard service on one of these would cost over £500....a must be more about labour rate. Service prices always amazes me with what it entails. A comp,etc rip off. Like you say pays to shop around...Mercedes wanted £450 for my last service but a specialist for the same work using Mercedes parts charged £285...Most if that was labour rate and the fact you can have a nice cup of coffee in expensive coffee cups while waiting.
 

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What on earth is a fake engine?!?! You mean on a model car where the bonnet lifts and the engine is a piece of moulded plastic that doesn't actually power the car??
Last time I checked under the 'hood' the thing there was powering the car, and at least it's not one of the prehistoric V8 or laughably out of date V6 petrol units that are woefully out if date and in a couple of years obsolete.
I do wonder what will happen when there is no engine, but just an electric motor hidden within the axle to those motorists who like a 'real' engine.

Keith you know what I find laughable is your attitude and defensiveness. A diesel Maserati, is so marmite, it was simply made to shift units. You bought the entry level car and your proud about being sensible in a "MASERATI" we get it. Maserati has a huge racing heritage. It was a brand that was beating Ferrari in racing and the heart and sole of the car is a petrol combustion engine weather its a v6 or v8. The current v6 turbo, v8 turbo and 4.7 na v8 all have a beautiful sound ie sole. The v6 turbo actually gets decent 35 mpg and is the smart choice. Petrol is also cheaper than diesel. And no the diesel sounds like a truck I heard it on youtube, its not a v8 sound at all. The future engines in this brand will be hybrid trying to keep the combustion engine still apart of this brand.
 
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Just a thought. I was reading in the local rag yesterday saying Rugby Borough Council was applying to the government for a clean air zone license, 60 others have already signed up

So don't go and spend a load of cash on a car you wont be able to use in a couple of years time!

Dave
 

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Just a thought. I was reading in the local rag yesterday saying Rugby Borough Council was applying to the government for a clean air zone license, 60 others have already signed up

So don't go and spend a load of cash on a car you wont be able to use in a couple of years time!

Dave

Scaremongering much?

At worst there will be a tax on driving into city centres much like London or a multitude of European cities

If we are lucky it will be like Germany with the umweltzone sticker which is a one off payment

So maybe less fake news in future? Personally I avoid reading tabloids or watching bbc news to avoid living in a constant frenzy
 

keith

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Keith you know what I find laughable is your attitude and defensiveness. A diesel Maserati, is so marmite, it was simply made to shift units. You bought the entry level car and your proud about being sensible in a "MASERATI" we get it. Maserati has a huge racing heritage. It was a brand that was beating Ferrari in racing and the heart and sole of the car is a petrol combustion engine weather its a v6 or v8. The current v6 turbo, v8 turbo and 4.7 na v8 all have a beautiful sound ie sole. The v6 turbo actually gets decent 35 mpg and is the smart choice. Petrol is also cheaper than diesel. And no the diesel sounds like a truck I heard it on youtube, its not a v8 sound at all. The future engines in this brand will be hybrid trying to keep the combustion engine still apart of this brand.

I can see this is your first post so welcome to the forum, and I see you have been looking back at posts from months ago.
Just as an update you may want to look at the topic regarding the future of Maserati engines (sorry I don't have the link to hand). Ferrari who manufacturer all the petrol engines for Maserati have announced they will be severing links and will cease supply. It's my guess future units will be sourced from VM Motori the FCA in-house engine manufacturer who are probably busy developing hybrid and all electric drivetrains. As a company Maserati have not for decades, and nor do they have the facility to produce their own power plants. This soul that you talk about has always been supplied by someone else, be it the diesel from VM Motori or their V6 which although assembled by Ferrari starts life as Chrysler supplied engine block from the U.S.
Petrol, diesel, hybrid etc ... This sound business that everyone is on about is just engineered in, like any other characteristic.
Personally for me the less noise the better, and when a passerby compliments me on my car, they don't know what's under the bonnet 'entry level' or otherwise!
 

keith

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Jolly decent of you - well played sir.
That is quite an opening post/broadside.

Thanks, and having been a member on here for a few years, I like to think it's a friendly bunch of people, with plenty of banter, who contribute.
 

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This soul that you talk about has always been supplied by someone else, be it the diesel from VM Motori or their V6 which although assembled by Ferrari starts life as Chrysler supplied engine block from the U.S.
Petrol, diesel, hybrid etc ... This sound business that everyone is on about is just engineered in, like any other characteristic.
Personally for me the less noise the better, and when a passerby compliments me on my car, they don't know what's under the bonnet 'entry level' or otherwise!
Hi Keith thanks for the welcome. I noticed you did not mention maserati's top engines the f154 twin turbo v8 or the 4.7 na v8 which are both 100% made by Ferrari. People buy Maserati for the Ferrari engine sound, and looks. Maserati has its own unique sound. Its almost a budget Ferrari. I think it defeats the purpose to buy a diesel Maserati, especially when the v6 can get 35mpg. I suggest you watch the "how its made video for the quattroporte, you'll see the engine is a aluminium block even for the base v6 and completely assembled by Ferrari. But perhaps the base power v6 block could be from Chrysler. I suggest you stop putting down these legendary engines.
 

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Hi Keith thanks for the welcome. I noticed you did not mention maserati's top engines the f154 twin turbo v8 or the 4.7 na v8 which are both 100% made by Ferrari. People buy Maserati for the Ferrari engine sound, and looks. Maserati has its own unique sound. Its almost a budget Ferrari. I think it defeats the purpose to buy a diesel Maserati, especially when the v6 can get 35mpg. I suggest you watch the "how its made video for the quattroporte, you'll see the engine is a aluminium block even for the base v6 and completely assembled by Ferrari. But perhaps the base power v6 block could be from Chrysler. I suggest you stop putting down these legendary engines.
The Ferrari variant of the NA V8 is flat plane crank though isn't, as against cross plane for Maserati, significant difference surely? Or the other way round. Shows that Maserati (or Ferrari) have some some reworking to suit.

What do I know though, I'm only a lowly brain surgeon and rocket scientist....
 

MC12

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The Ferrari variant of the NA V8 is flat plane crank though isn't, as against cross plane for Maserati, significant difference surely? Or the other way round. Shows that Maserati (or Ferrari) have some some reworking to suit.

F154/F160 (Twin turbo engines described below including assembly. The NA 4.2/4.7 V8 from memory had a cross plane crank for the maserati as you stated.
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The Ferrari variant of the NA V8 is flat plane crank though isn't, as against cross plane for Maserati, significant difference surely? Or the other way round. Shows that Maserati (or Ferrari) have some some reworking to suit.

What do I know though, I'm only a lowly brain surgeon and rocket scientist....

Indeed, to my understanding is that all Maserati variants of Ferrari engines (or vice versa in the case of the F136) have a cross plane crank in place of the F car flat version and sound better in my view as a result.