High flow air filters
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Dean Kuan
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Thanks man. I remove one side of the bumper undertray. Then flex the bumper a little and it's out now. Thanks man.
todd.the.submariner
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Tacking onto this thread to add a "third way". Instead of a K&N oiled air filter, they also offer a high performance oil free filter, RU-3105 HBK
See the other thread I posted about this replacement - replacing the entire air cleaner assembly with a silicone hose and this filter.
See the other thread I posted about this replacement - replacing the entire air cleaner assembly with a silicone hose and this filter.
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I was thinking of doing something like this for my 3200
http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/05/car_spotlight_gt_gt_dandy_maserati_3200gt/
http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/05/car_spotlight_gt_gt_dandy_maserati_3200gt/
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Certainly the original air filter enclosure/housing is a bit rubbish and the fixed threaded inserts break and its hard to keep it in one piece. I do wonder though that the filter in your picture looks smaller in surface area that the original so if its allowing more airflow it must be reducing the amount of filtering it is doing, so this is a clear compromise. I am also not sure that the 3200 is a car that's screaming for more power, it already struggles with the 420 HP it has, not sure i would want more power on my car, but then i am getting oldI was thinking of doing something like this for my 3200
http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/05/car_spotlight_gt_gt_dandy_maserati_3200gt/
I've put together this setup for my 3200. No road testing performed yet as I'm finishing up replacing the suspension.
The filters are these ITG pleated aluminium spun cotton gauze filters;
specifically the largest size inlet diameter: JC60/86RPF (Correction: They are not quite the largest size you can buy from ITG, but they are the largest size you can squeeze in between the head of the engine and the wing)
They then have an ITG foam oversock on each:
to provide a similar level of filtering to the standard filters.
From my calculations they should provide a fair bit more air flow capacity..... we'll see about power. From memory I think the filters have a combined BHP capacity of 600hp+
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Spitfire980
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Awesome! this is what makes this community amazing!
You do that in the BMW groups im in and they will come and take your car away with pitchforks
I was thinking of doing a ram air design. get rid if #18 and #19 and put in BMC CDA style filters as close as possible to the openings on the sides of the grill.
That way, cold air from the grille enters the filters without them being cooked by engine heat
Im happy to hear your thoughts guys
You do that in the BMW groups im in and they will come and take your car away with pitchforks
Correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't that suck in hot engine air?
I was thinking of doing a ram air design. get rid if #18 and #19 and put in BMC CDA style filters as close as possible to the openings on the sides of the grill.
That way, cold air from the grille enters the filters without them being cooked by engine heat
Im happy to hear your thoughts guys
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sounds like a decent approach, to me. I am having to modify the Spyder because when it arrived, the entire filter box AND the skid plates were missing, so the air filter is hanging in space with nothing but willpower keeping it attached.
My design is working on the principles outlined in the below link. Essentially I’m working on the basis that the intake air gets heated by the turbo charger, then cooled by the intercoolers before entering the engine. As such, I’m betting that if the air going to the turbo is a little colder (as per your proposed BMC setup) I suspect it’ll be pretty much the same temperature (as the open cone filter) once it’s been through the (heating)turbo and (cooling) intercooler.
however, I won’t know without testing. Hopefully something I can do at some point. To be honest, if performance stays the same, but it makes an awesome noise I’ll be happy. Yeah, I’m a child
Love to see your setup if you go the BMC route!
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however, I won’t know without testing. Hopefully something I can do at some point. To be honest, if performance stays the same, but it makes an awesome noise I’ll be happy. Yeah, I’m a child
Love to see your setup if you go the BMC route!
Cold Air Intake Systems Explained for your Naturally Aspirated & Turbo Mazda | CorkSport Mazda Performance Blog
Cold air intake systems, are they necessary? Are they worth the extra cost? Does it matter if the engine is turbocharged or not? Will the engine or its performance be hurt without one? We have repeatedly seen these questions on forums and social media groups regarding Mazda's 3rd and 4th...
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Spitfire980
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My design is working on the principles outlined in the below link. Essentially I’m working on the basis that the intake air gets heated by the turbo charger, then cooled by the intercoolers before entering the engine. As such, I’m betting that if the air going to the turbo is a little colder (as per your proposed BMC setup) I suspect it’ll be pretty much the same temperature (as the open cone filter) once it’s been through the (heating)turbo and (cooling) intercooler.
however, I won’t know without testing. Hopefully something I can do at some point. To be honest, if performance stays the same, but it makes an awesome noise I’ll be happy. Yeah, I’m a child
Love to see your setup if you go the BMC route!
Cold Air Intake Systems Explained for your Naturally Aspirated & Turbo Mazda | CorkSport Mazda Performance Blog
Cold air intake systems, are they necessary? Are they worth the extra cost? Does it matter if the engine is turbocharged or not? Will the engine or its performance be hurt without one? We have repeatedly seen these questions on forums and social media groups regarding Mazda's 3rd and 4th...
Following your advice, I did this
P Side (LHD)
D Side
Still need to get socks and gold heat wrap them
Question, what did you do for the pipe going from the catch can to the air filter? and the pipe going from the booster to the front of the air box?
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The article about cold air intakes, is clearly a sales pitch to persuade you its ok to buy their air filter products and does not really tell you any thing of value. I am also wondering why Maserati (who are very focussed on power) set it up the way they did which is more complicated if it was better in a simple setup like you suggest?
I think air temperature and density is the issue here? The turbos increase the pressure of the air intake to get more air into the engine, by making the air more dense by compression. The combustion chamber is a fixed volume so the only way to get more air in (so you can add more fuel) is to increase the density of the air in that volume, which is why turbos work. However air density is also directly proportional to temperature, see chart below. So if you use warmer air from the engine bay it is less dense and so you are also making the job of cooling the air from the turbos harder and, more importantly reducing the density, so you will get less power from the engine. The 3200 measures the delivered air temperature at the intake to the plenum and adjusts the fuel and ignition to suit, so warmer air will produce less power. So warmer air is not a good idea in my book, sorry just my two pence worth.
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I think air temperature and density is the issue here? The turbos increase the pressure of the air intake to get more air into the engine, by making the air more dense by compression. The combustion chamber is a fixed volume so the only way to get more air in (so you can add more fuel) is to increase the density of the air in that volume, which is why turbos work. However air density is also directly proportional to temperature, see chart below. So if you use warmer air from the engine bay it is less dense and so you are also making the job of cooling the air from the turbos harder and, more importantly reducing the density, so you will get less power from the engine. The 3200 measures the delivered air temperature at the intake to the plenum and adjusts the fuel and ignition to suit, so warmer air will produce less power. So warmer air is not a good idea in my book, sorry just my two pence worth.
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