GranTurismo's are getting cheap!

Wattie

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I don’t offer any of these options, as I believe it is an insult to a potential customer’s intelligence to even offer them. I do offer very competitive finance, so competitive because we take zero commission from it.

That’s how everywhere will be required to operate next year anyhow:

Pity they don’t do the same with bankers.
 

Wack61

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I don’t offer any of these options, as I believe it is an insult to a potential customer’s intelligence to even offer them. I do offer very competitive finance, so competitive because we take zero commission from it.

That’s how everywhere will be required to operate next year anyhow:


I've never bought a car from you Dickie but all I've read is good things

I've only ever bought from dealers twice, all my many (cheap) cars over the years have been bought privately, a skoda yeti that had problems a week after purchase which they deemed to be within manufacturers tolerances and the mustang which to be fair the only thing he tried to sell me was gap insurance.

The one thing the 21st century does offer is for good businesses to shine on social media because the disgruntled minority are much more vocal than the satisfied majority.

When manufacturers advertise on facebook which is full of whingers I'm amazed they allow comments because all they get is "I bought a fiesta of them in 1997 never again" then it's like a lynch mob, yes my Granada went rusty, and on and on
 

Wack61

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Sorry, what, a new Vantage for £25,000? Or are you just renting it for £25,000 for 2 years and then you have to give it back?
You don't have to give it back , I bought a mustang on 0% for 3 years with the option to buy it , trade it, or give it back
 

philw696

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I'm not really exposed as all mine are pretty low value really. Also not bothered what their worth and happy to keep and use them.

There must be plenty out there exposed to potential falling values but I guess are they bothered? Possibly not.

Certainly there still doesn't seem a great deal of confidence around. Maybe the Brexit thing kicked people to start thinking more sensibly, conservatory and less crazy.
I think you will be okay Dean.
You buy what you want when we'll researched and for a price you want to pay.
They are well looked after and traceable on forums like here and you use them regularly.
You have nothing to hide showing the enjoyment they give you.
Having been in the Motor trade all my life I have seen all sorts of people and Dealers.
With the latter there are not many like Richard Grace.
 

elan

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I think the GT prices has fared pretty well. I had this mad idea to upgrade my Gallardo (manual LP560) to a Huracan Performante and viewed a lovely specced one in Verde Hydra. This Performante has dropped £100k in two years and 8000 miles.
 

rockits

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I think you will be okay Dean.
You buy what you want when we'll researched and for a price you want to pay.
They are well looked after and traceable on forums like here and you use them regularly.
You have nothing to hide showing the enjoyment they give you.
Having been in the Motor trade all my life I have seen all sorts of people and Dealers.
With the latter there are not many like Richard Grace.

Agreed on all those comments Phil ;)

Had the water pump replaced on the XJL this week as it had a leaking rear seal. At 70k miles it made sense to replace the whole unit at the same time as no labour. Would love to do jobs like this myself but just zero time at the moment. The left rear exhaust back box has a cracked weld at the rear pipe out joint as the muppets at Powerflow Exhaust are useless! The previous owner had the sports rear boxes done which is all good and sound great. However they put the bracket/hanger mount on the little last pipe section not on the actual heavy box! Idiots!! I cannot recommend Powerflow Exhaust products for this reason. Poor welds, poor installation and poor design. Might need to learn how to start welding ;)
 

Wattie

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I've never bought a car from you Dickie but all I've read is good things
Me neither, but I sold two through him in his early days.
His reputation has gone from strength to strength since then and deservedly so. If I was buying I wouldn’t go anywhere else. Honesty and integrity is very hard to find these days.
This forum has a wealth of knowledge, use it or lose it.
 

rockits

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I can't help but find this thread a little depressing. It's a Brit thing maybe, talking stuff down instead of up. Or maybe the Brit weather and salty roads is killing off 10 year old cars?!

Either way. I've have had mine for three years now, and it would probably be a pig to sell, but I'm not looking to do that, and wouldn't do at much less than I paid for her.

Grab a (hopefully rust free) bargain and drive the thing crazy as all that electric cr*p whooshes by...

It is not meant to be depressing just realistic. There is no point dressing it up any different. The whole sector has changed and is changing immensely. In the main for the better as the useless won't survive and the better/best like Dicky will be fine. Rightly so. Dealers and service centres that are poor or rip people off will end up disappearing. There will be some consolidation, mergers, acquisitions in the big motor groups I am sure. It cannot continue for some as it is as the number won't work.

For most of us it doesn't matter so much as we get to keep great cars that others are getting out of. If it costs a bit more in the long term it is less than you think as you just keep the car longer or for very long. It is no bad thing. I don't think this chopping and changing every 5 mins is really a good thing for end users. It has only ever been a good thing for the dealers who need this changeable liquidity in the market place. Without it they are scr3wed and this is what is happening in some areas.

I think many who see cars as a tool will rent/lease and car less about the car they have. Also changing it often. For us petrol heads not much really changes but we won;t be able to get in and out of various cars so easily or so much.

I tend to keep my core cars a fair while many years often so don't really change too much. There are a couple that I have changed often to flip in and out with some little mini projects but these are not often maybe 1 or 2 a year.

If you want to buy a big lumpy V8 and have it a year then move into something else no doubt it has become harder and more expensive. This won't change I don't think and is here to stay.

It will mean there will be a whole market of amazing cars to buy for not a lot for what they offer. However this is going to be dwindling I guess as the numbers of these cars sold new now will mean fewer numbers in later years. Or maybe the numbers are just as constant as they have always been? Who knows as I don't have the data to suggest one way of the other.
 

dickygrace

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Strange how Autotrader say it's £2500 above average price.

Deeply flawed algorithms, it’s just wholly inaccurate as it can’t differentiate between anything other than reg date and mileage. Spec, colour combo, condition, history, recent works, gearbox, number of keepers, none of which are taken into account.

These 2 cars are £9 apart price wise. How can £9 and 2k miles make one a great price and one a high price? If the Auto100 car is the one I think it is, I’d bet heavily it will be better than the other car.

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outrun

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Deeply flawed algorithms, it’s just wholly inaccurate as it can’t differentiate between anything other than reg date and mileage. Spec, colour combo, condition, history, recent works, gearbox, number of keepers, none of which are taken into account.

These 2 cars are £9 apart price wise. How can £9 and 2k miles make one a great price and one a high price? If the Auto100 car is the one I think it is, I’d bet heavily it will be better than the other car.

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It's just a money maker for them as you can pay, as a large dealership, to opt out of displaying their pricing opinion, therefore disguising whether a price is advertised as Low, Good or High. Nothing but a way to up sell to the advertisers.
 

Hurricane52

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Deeply flawed algorithms, it’s just wholly inaccurate as it can’t differentiate between anything other than reg date and mileage. Spec, colour combo, condition, history, recent works, gearbox, number of keepers, none of which are taken into account.

These 2 cars are £9 apart price wise. How can £9 and 2k miles make one a great price and one a high price? If the Auto100 car is the one I think it is, I’d bet heavily it will be better than the other car.

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I’m sure you’re right - the second one has far too many exclamation marks.
 

Davidt99

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If you want the experience of driving and owning a GT and are not too bothered about keeping it long term (hence crazy maintenance costs) then buying a £14k CAT D car to drive around in for 2 years and then sell if for £8k - £10k isnt a bad option.
 

dickygrace

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That was my hope. If they've lost more than the GTS, then I might be able to better justify taking a financial hit, but how much more might they fall?

Crystal ball time....

Trust your gut, you know cars well.
 

Gazcw

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The Auto100 car is likely way way better, if it is indeed the car. RX62DDV
Didn't have a great experience when I bought mine from them. The owner was positively nasty and accused Shiltech and me of lying and trying to shaft him when I had a variator issue.
 

dickygrace

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Didn't have a great experience when I bought mine from them. The owner was positively nasty and accused Shiltech and me of lying and trying to shaft him when I had a variator issue.

I have had zero dealings with them and never will. I know the car is good though.