Granturismo and short journeys

Nikko

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After lots of toing and froing I have decided on a 4.7 GTS over a QPV, it will be my only car and daily driver.
Currently averaging around 10 miles a day, my longest weekly journey is 4 miles to work, this includes open road and stop/start. Most days my current 159 doesn’t get up to optimal operating temp.
Is this type of running going to cause any adverse effects and I assume it’s more suited to the full Auto rather than the MC Shift?
 

midlifecrisis

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I doubt the engine would get warm. How long would it take you to do the 4 miles

Have you thought about the bus?
 

Ewan

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You’ll be fine. I used my 4.7 MC Shift for that use pattern and it was faultless. My office commute is approx 3 miles each way, but that was still far enough for me to find my previous auto (QP GTS) boring.

Even on a short journey I’d rather be in Maserati than something rubbish.
 

Nikko

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You’ll be fine. I used my 4.7 MC Shift for that use pattern and it was faultless. My office commute is approx 3 miles each way, but that was still far enough for me to find my previous auto (QP GTS) boring.

Even on a short journey I’d rather be in Maserati than something rubbish.
That's good to know. I have only been looking at the Autos but there is an MC that's caught my eye.
How much will this type of journey accelerate clutch wear?
 

Ewan

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There are less gear changes on a short journey than a long one, so there will be less clutch wear, not more. It really isn't worth worrying about, especially if the car you buy has plenty of clutch life left in it.
 

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The only thing that peeves me about the GT/S is the suspension and how chocolate it is. The one I have now had 7k miles when I got it and drove tight as a drum, just clicked 9k miles on it and these roads with potholes means lots of jarring etc and I swear I can hear a slight knock on the nearside front. FFS it's done 2k miles and developed a knock. Such shite suspension setup..
 

Bebs

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The only thing that peeves me about the GT/S is the suspension and how chocolate it is. The one I have now had 7k miles when I got it and drove tight as a drum, just clicked 9k miles on it and these roads with potholes means lots of jarring etc and I swear I can hear a slight knock on the nearside front. FFS it's done 2k miles and developed a knock. Such shite suspension setup..
I feel your pain... I had to put all new front upper and lower wishbones on mine when I got it :worried1:
 

azapa

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In cold climates your engine will just have finished burning off water vapour after 20 mins. I'd really be trying to keep that to my minimum journey time. Or thrash it for 10 when warm, maybe.
 
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Wanderer

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Take a longer route to work :).
That's just what I do in the QP. M50 is ok in mornings mostly but evening it's choka. So I take the back road back of Dublin Airport down Cappagh road, 50% more distance but an ace drive until Ballyboggan Road, gotta love those Irish place names!
 

Ewan

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Every long journey starts with a short journey. So anyone that says that long journeys are less wearing on an engine than short journeys is...mistaken.
 

Navcorr

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So anyone that says that long journeys are less wearing on an engine than short journeys is...mistaken.
Not necessarily. The OP references engine temps. My usage certainly isn't daily but I wonder how many who do commute would be inclined to let the engine thoroughly warm if they're only going a few miles. I take your point though.
 

Sam McGoo

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It's not about engine wear caused by short journeys.
Repeated short journeys, where the engine doesn't get to full temperature, can cause a build up of condensation in the crankcase, which will eventually mix with the oil.
Water in the oil isn't good.
On cars that ONLY do very short journeys when you look on the oil filler cap you can often see that capachino froth that can be mistaken for a leaking head gasket, but it's the oil/condensation mix.

Obviously if the oil it comprised with water, that can lead to wear. Hence the 'short journeys can damage engines' theory.

However, a few short journeys in the week should be fine as long as it either gets up to full operating temperature, or at the weekend you take it for a good blast.
Getting the oil temp above 100C for a while will help boil off any condensation that has built up in the week.

Regarding MC clutch wear, it appears to be stop start traffic or lots of hill starts that wears them quickly. It's not gear changes, as that is a quick release and re-engagement of the clutch, it's slipping the clutch that does it as per pulling away. I normally drop into first when going slow or approaching a junction as the clutch stays engaged more. Leaving it in second, you can hear it slipping loads as you pull away. Slow creeping traffic is another killer, as its slipping quite a lot.
You can hear it, so just drive round it by selecting a lower gear if need be or push the throttle a bit harder to force the engagement.


Saying all that, just get one.... And a enjoy it!

Don't let everything worry you or it'll spoil the experience. Maintain it well and it will look after you.
 

Ebenezer

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Daft question. I presume that the engine is sealed so where does the water come from and where can it be expelled once heated?
Eb
 

Motorsport3

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Every long journey starts with a short journey. So anyone that says that long journeys are less wearing on an engine than short journeys is...mistaken.

I think it depends whether you reference wear in time or wear in mileage. For the first I agree with you. But for the second surely a highway drive in 6th wouldn't result in any clutch or brakes wear.
 

Sam McGoo

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Engines aren't completely sealed.
The water is just the water vapour in the air inside the crankcase condensing as it starts to warm up.
Once up to temperature the vapour (oil and water if there is any) is expelled through the crankcase ventilation system (some of the various vacuum hoses you see attached to the engine) that then goes back to the intake and burned off in the combustion process and out the exhaust.
 
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elan

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I have to admit with certain nicer cars, if its a short journey then I make sure the engine oil temp is nicely warmed up and take a longer detour if necessary. I don’t use my cars for commuting so it’s easier to do.