Granturismo 4.2

[Oneball]

Shiltech have a couple of 4.2 for sale at the mo but there doesn’t seem to be much love for 4.2 on here and I was wondering why?

 

[FIFTY]

I think the basis of the forum consciousness is that the 4.7 is more suited to the size and weight of the granturismo

 

[Michael]

Shiltech have a couple of 4.2 for sale at the mo but there doesn’t seem to be much love for 4.2 on here and I was wondering why?

I have a 4.2 and have owned it for almost 5 yrs. To be honest the 4.7 is faster and stops better, however, if you live somewhere busy, covered in speed cameras and basically overpopulated, as I do (Ascot/Sunningdale) you can't do more than 50 mph so it doesn't really matter. The two big differences are the possible variator issue, but not everyone has the issue and the handling. I don't know what they did with the 4.7 but it just seems to corner better and feels a bit more planted on the tarmac.

My 4.2 has skyhook my friend has a 2015 4.7 with skyhook and there is a real difference. I'd love a forum member to explain why.

 

[CatmanV2]

I love my 4.2. Which is not to say I won't be moving to a 4.7.
Cost (both purchase and running) was a significant factor.

C

 

[Ewan]

While money is so cheap to borrow, even those that can't afford to buy a GT outright seem to prefer to go £30k for a 4.7 with a little finance, instead of £25k for a 4.2. There's no doubting that the S is the better car, but I take the point that not everyone needs anything "better" than a 4.2 anyway.

 

[Oneball]

I love my 4.2. Which is not to say I won't be moving to a 4.7.
Cost (both purchase and running) was a significant factor.

C

Why do you say cost of running is different between 4.2 and 4.7?

While money is so cheap to borrow, even those that can't afford to buy a GT outright seem to prefer to go £30k for a 4.7 with a little finance, instead of £25k for a 4.2. There's no doubting that the S is the better car, but I take the point that not everyone needs anything "better" than a 4.2 anyway.

I do wonder how people drive sometimes when 400bhp is too slow. I understand the whole top trumps thing but some of today’s cars are a little silly.

 

[CatmanV2]

Why do you say cost of running is different between 4.2 and 4.7?

Brakes and clutch, primarily.

C

 

[Oneball]

Brakes and clutch, primarily.

C

Are discs for the 4.2 readily available then?

 

[CatmanV2]

Are discs for the 4.2 readily available then?

Discs for the 4.7 are readily available:

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/.../braking-devices-on-front-wheels-46441/235318

Front: £346 +VAT each

Pattern 4.2
https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/.../braking-devices-on-front-wheels-43172/202016
Front: £129 +VAT each

Pretty sure the difference was rather more 3 years ago as well, even for the OEM discs

C

 

[Oneball]

Think that’s about the same as 3200 ones.

Just steeling myself for another weekend crawling around under my paperweight. Hopefully with enough time to get the engine from the race car stripped too.

 

[BuckRog64]

The 4.2 is a lovely car. Appropriately named as it is the perfect grand tourer with seats for four adults. However, as others have said, the 4.7 takes it to another level. I really enjoyed the MC Shift version, which encourages you to use the paddles in the same way you would a gear lever. The downchange blips are nice, especially if you fit an H or X pipe.

Given his reputation on here, and the list of issues you have with your car, no doubt Richard Grace would give you what you paid for your 3200 in exchange for a nice Granturismo. Failing that I'll bung you a few quid for the 3200 once you have completed the list of fixes!

 

[ChrissGT]

I think in a second hand market there is probably less of a value difference between a 4.2 and a 4.7. It just more appealing to drive a GT-S with bigger engine and power. Brake upgrades are nice, as well as the skyhook and the valved exhaust. I think there is probably also the idea that a 'base' model might not retain its value. Quite common that people leave the base model and go for an 'upgraded' model with more options.

The 4.2 might be a good 'bargain'. It isn't really underpowered. It's just that power delivery and gear changes are that of a grand tourer. I think a 4.2 with DBW module would drive better then a stock 4.7 F1 as far as engine and gear changes. Also, you dont have to worry about a clutch with a 4.2 (could always get a 4.7 auto to prevent this headache).

I chose the 4.2 because it has less gadgets that can fail (suspension, gearbox) and it was the only model in my pricerange. A 4.7 auto without skyhook would be a perfect replacement, but i'm satisfied.

 

[CatmanV2]

The 4.2 might be a good 'bargain'. It isn't really underpowered. It's just that power delivery and gear changes are that of a grand tourer. I think a 4.2 with DBW module would drive better then a stock 4.7 F1 as far as engine and gear changes. .

Yep. The box isn't great for spirited driving, but perfect for making gentlemanly progress. Sport / Manual is pretty cool, but doesn't have the same physicality of the F1 box. OTW I bought for most of the same reasons as Chriss (more the price range than anything else) but I am more than happy with it. And by god it looks (and sounds with the valved boxes) the utter dogs nadgers

C

 

[Oneball]

Yep. The box isn't great for spirited driving, but perfect for making gentlemanly progress. Sport / Manual is pretty cool, but doesn't have the same physicality of the F1 box. OTW I bought for most of the same reasons as Chriss (more the price range than anything else) but I am more than happy with it. And by god it looks (and sounds with the valved boxes) the utter dogs nadgers

C

I really like the ZF 6 speed auto, it’s fitted to a load of BMWs and I think it’s the best of both worlds, irrespective of engine it’s the one I’d choose.

 

[CatmanV2]

I really like the ZF 6 speed auto, it’s fitted to a load of BMWs and I think it’s the best of both worlds, irrespective of engine it’s the one I’d choose.

The software will have a great deal to do with it as well. Also fitted to Hyundais and Jags . And I think a SSonyang

C

 

[bigbob]

I think in a second hand market there is probably less of a value difference between a 4.2 and a 4.7. It just more appealing to drive a GT-S with bigger engine and power. Brake upgrades are nice, as well as the skyhook and the valved exhaust. I think there is probably also the idea that a 'base' model might not retain its value. Quite common that people leave the base model and go for an 'upgraded' model with more options.

The 4.2 might be a good 'bargain'. It isn't really underpowered. It's just that power delivery and gear changes are that of a grand tourer. I think a 4.2 with DBW module would drive better then a stock 4.7 F1 as far as engine and gear changes. Also, you dont have to worry about a clutch with a 4.2 (could always get a 4.7 auto to prevent this headache).

I chose the 4.2 because it has less gadgets that can fail (suspension, gearbox) and it was the only model in my pricerange. A 4.7 auto without skyhook would be a perfect replacement, but i'm satisfied.

You have a 4.2 without skyhook? Very rare car.

 

[Andyk]

I would not buy a 4.2 GT for 25k only because of the above a 4.7 is a few K more and yes they probably cost more to run....but I would buy a 4.2 for under 20k and I would imagine you'll get one sometime this year for that as prices continue to drop. As with most cars of this type.

 

[Lavazza]

Possibly a theme for another thread, but why should values continue to drop?

As a comparison, values for the AM Vantage 4.3 and 4.7 have been pretty level for years and possibly starting to climb a little now.

Values for Porsche 996 and 997 are strong.

Just feels as if there's some kind of a 'race to the bottom' on Maserati values.

I guess some of it is down to (lack of?) brand management and visibility.

 

[Nibby]

Possibly a theme for another thread, but why should values continue to drop?

As a comparison, values for the AM Vantage 4.3 and 4.7 have been pretty level for years and possibly starting to climb a little now.

Values for Porsche 996 and 997 are strong.

Just feels as if there's some kind of a 'race to the bottom' on Maserati values.

I guess some of it is down to (lack of?) brand management and visibility.

The parts prices don't help imho, speaking as a 4200 owner one of the cons of sharing parts with Ferrari without as much allure.
I bought a Spyder back in early last year, they seem to be holding their money, whether they sell for the advertised price is another thing.

 

[Andyk]

Possibly a theme for another thread, but why should values continue to drop?

As a comparison, values for the AM Vantage 4.3 and 4.7 have been pretty level for years and possibly starting to climb a little now.

Values for Porsche 996 and 997 are strong.

Just feels as if there's some kind of a 'race to the bottom' on Maserati values.

I guess some of it is down to (lack of?) brand management and visibility.

Because they are hard to sell these days as with most V8's. There are already a couple of higher miles GT's at 20k and can see no reason why you will not see more this year. i always have a keen eye on Vantage prices and these have even dropped over the last few months. A year ago it was hard to get an early car for under 30k but over the last few months they have dropped to 25k starting point. There are now around 15 Vantages under 30k which was unheard of 6 months ago. There are also a few 4.7's under 40k. Yes good examples will always fetch good money but in this world of ours these cars are becoming harder to sell and it's to a minority so naturally prices will fal l I'm sure. Interesting with Porsche as yes the 911 prices seem to buck the trend. Wonder if that's got something to do with perception of reliability and the fact they are not a V8. I think some seeV8 and automatically see high running costs and low MPG maybe.