Gransport rear tie rod replacement

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The sockets (bolts with lock nut) are £46 each for this batch plus delivery £6 per shipment (my hermes insured). The last lot I did get down to £37 each but it was a larger order and unfortunately both the engineering works and the plating works used have both closed in the intervening years!

I have 16 in total available at the moment.
 
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2b1ask1 said:
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The sockets (bolts with lock nut) are £46 each for this batch plus delivery £6 per shipment (my hermes insured). The last lot I did get down to £37 each but it was a larger order and unfortunately both the engineering works and the plating works used have both closed in the intervening years!

I have 16 in total available at the moment.
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Morning, I’ll have 2 sets please, could you let me know how to pay you and I’ll send it straight away.
Thanks
Hexadex.
 
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And if your happy with all that, make sure you inform your insurance company that your fitting non standard parts that don't conform to any EU specification's..

Check the small print!

Dave
 
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And how else are we supposed to keep 20 year old cars going with many of the parts obsolete? I do get the need for insurance companies wanting us to work with approved parts but I kind of restrict this in my mind to big things like increasing the horsepower by 100 HP or fitting larger completely different designed brakes, I think the odd nut and bolt replaced like for like, while can be risky, depending on the yield strength of the material, is below the threshold for insurance companies. I reckon most non Original manufacturer parts are not studied and approved by Maserati, or often any EU regulation, and so are technically non-standard, but are in common use and present no alteration to the design of the car? Discs, brake pads, tyres, bulbs, ignition modules, oil and fuel filters, spark plugs, windscreens, suspension bushes, water hoses, fuses, sensors, I mean where do you draw the line? I reckon it has to constitute a change to the design, rather than a substitute part?
I also reckon insurance companies are far too ready to use any excuse to not pay out on claims, to not because they are valid reasons but to keep their costs down.


alfatwo said:
And if your happy with all that, make sure you inform your insurance company that your fitting non standard parts that don't conform to any EU specification's..

Check the small print!

Dave
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You may all laugh... a couple of weeks ago a young lad I know who doesn't yet know the difference between understeer and oversteer demolished a neighbours large wall driving like tw*t
10k+for the wall, the car was a right off, the insurance refused to pay out because the car had some fancy non standard wheel bolts fitted..

His dad now has some big expense's the find, just a thought!

Dave
 
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alfatwo said:
You may all laugh... a couple of weeks ago a young lad I know who doesn't yet know the difference between understeer and oversteer demolished a neighbours large wall driving like tw*t
10k+for the wall, the car was a right off, the insurance refused to pay out because the car had some fancy non standard wheel bolts fitted..

His dad now has some big expense's the find, just a thought!

Dave
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Without seeing the wheel bolts its hard to comment, but it's either crazy stupid wheel bolts, or the insurance company looking for any way out
 
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I’d say there was something overlooked in the small print...?
Otherwise, I’d throw the book at them seeking to challenge the decision. Can they prove the bolts are not fit for purpose and/or contributed to the accident in some/any way....?
Reads like a load of old......:oops::confused:

I’m sure corporate forces, legal, and manufacturing want it that no one changes their own wheels ( tightening their own bolts) but it’s completely unreasonable, and will never happen imo...
 
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Half the problem with people working on cars not being skilled or trained is over tightening of nuts and bolts and they don't know what a Torque Wrench is.
I have one draw in my tool box dedicated to them from a 1/4 to 3/4 inch.
 
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alfatwo said:
And if your happy with all that, make sure you inform your insurance company that your fitting non standard parts that don't conform to any EU specification's..

Check the small print!

Dave
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I get your point, but my Stag is nearly 50 years old, many parts became obsolete over 30 years ago or more with non standard parts the only option to keep them on the road.
The amount of non standard parts, nuts, bolts, bushings, brake discs, pads, etc taken to the extreme would be page's long!
Regarding wheel nuts, the original ones where made of aluminium alloy, today most have replaced them with steel or stainless replacements as after nearly 50 years the aluminium ones are simply worn out and BL stopped making them decades ago. It was a strange design decision making them out of aluminium alloy in the first place, so easy to cross thread. I doubt any Stag owner declares they have changed their nuts!
 
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philw696 said:
Half the problem with people working on cars not being skilled or trained is over tightening of nuts and bolts and they don't know what a Torque Wrench is.
I have one draw in my tool box dedicated to them from a 1/4 to 3/4 inch.
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I've been lifeted from the side of the road by recovery bods who know less than me...Im not watching by as they winch the car and drag it, or drop the bike because they havent tied it down right...Im intervening- simple self preservation
The idea that only garages do the work is misleading as there is no quality control there either, necessarily. And it simply feeds the money making machine that insists everybody pays for and brandishes their piece of paper that says they can change a grinder disc, whatever....And this requires repeating year on year..Its money for old rope.
Any insurers I deal with accept modofications. They approve of them and largely, the premiums are reduced as a result..As far as risk goes, its a better risk than neglected, old and tired cars, however OEM they might be !
 
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It is often more about bad fitment or torque or bad installation or even wrong part for the job and not suitable more than the part being bad I would suggest.

We know many OEM parts that have and do fail due to poor design and manufacture so there are no guarantees regardless even with OEM parts. It is worse when the manufacturer knows of faults and chooses to do nothing....... Maserati!!!
 
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Rover did the same with the K series engine head gasket issues.
Probably done more of those than any other engine back in the day.
Took a specialist to come up with the right type of gasket to sort the problem out.
 
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philw696 said:
Rover did the same with the K series engine head gasket issues.
Probably done more of those than any other engine back in the day.
Took a specialist to come up with the right type of gasket to sort the problem out.
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Right...!
The "presumption" that after market is inherently a problem for insurers isnt valid in it's premis.
It wasnt that far back that the EU was trying to push through "Article 18" which was set to put a complete end to custom bike building.
Forks longer than "X " cms were to be banned...It was proposed that "any changes to the drive train" were to be made illegal in the sense that they could no longer be passed by the various bodies that over see safety checks ( MOT here in the UK) This meant everything though..logically. The engine cant be tuned, sprockets changed from OEM...even tyres had to be the same as the bike was supplied with to prevent any changes to wheel circumference...! Ridicule..>!
Thankfully, this was dropped but not before manufacturers, and representative bodies ( retailers, service centres et al) in Europe and the UK, had to put their reasons forward. Proposed by bureaucrats with no clue essentially. ABS and the like..( it has been made legal requirement by now) but also that manufacturers wanted the servicing of all their vehicles to maintain standards..Clearly, if they cant handle the servicing of the volume the produce, they cant really do that...
No regard for those working in the industry, servicing bikes for example. No real concept of the consequences to the structure of the industry's financial character and distribution...A total nosense. It was dropped...Phew..
Next up though.. the Super MOT. Same sh1t, different day !

And with respect the idea that govt legislation is the highest standard...
Motorcycle manufacturers have been developing their products for years between them. R&D is expensive. Integrated braking systems for example..... ABS isnt necessaril]y the best, most cost effective or appropriate system to deploy..Guess what the bureaucrats decided..Its all for nought.
Dont get too depressed....
 
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Thes sockets start off as 8.8 alloy m24 bolts which are machines to the OEM head size and thickness, centre bored and then multiple tapped to the correct thread internally, multiple verifications to spec along the way, any with a centre tolerance of more than 0.1mm over the length of the unit are rejected. No small amount of work, they have the been acid process BZP treated so I’m confident they are far higher spec than the cheese based OEM ones that will be seized in the wishbones.

furthermore there is zero possibility of failure in use as the sockets are retained in the wishbone and the tie rod inside that, beyond the depth of the wishbone. In short the wishbone would need to fail catastrophically and we have never heard of that happening on a Maserati....?
 
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