Formula 1 Qualifying F1

[Markc]

The late decision to let the unlapped cars through was an unknown to both teams. Merc had it all to lose and chose to stick. RB had nothing to lose so pitted.
From what I've seen Masi said the lapped cars couldn't pass when the track wasn't clear then let them pass when it was.
The controversy seems to be not all lapped cars unlapped themselves

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^^
This.
They decided to only allow certain cars through to ensure time for one lap of racing = Max wins. If the rule book says you let them all through then it’s not interpretation it’s a mistake. Mercs’ case no doubt. The issue of diving up the inside is also bollox. If you dive up the inside such that the only way you can make the corner if force a collision or the other car off the track it’s not racing. Otherwise every fvcker would be doing it at every available corner. Again, problem is with the race director who doesn’t seem to know his sh!tpipe from his elbow.

 

[Oneball]

The controversy seems to be not all lapped cars unlapped themselves

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Yep, there’s two options under the safety car

1) all cars form behind the safety car and none are allowed to over take. Once the incident is clear and it’s safe to do so the race is restarted. This is what usually happens in F1

2) at the race directors discretion all cars form behind the safety car and those cars that have been lapped can unlap themselves and form up at the back of the pack. Once all lapped cars have unlapped themselves and it’s safe to do so the race is restarted. This happens a lot in endurance racing but often takes 10 minutes longer than the incident itself so not great in shorter races like F1.

Safety cars and red flags are always unfair.

Someone always gets screwed, both Lewis and Max have gained and lost in the past and will so again, which is why I don’t think it should change the result. But F1 and the FIA by only allowing those cars between Lewis and Max to unlap themselves and not the others have opened it up to after season lawyer ****.

 

[P R]

Ye it all depends on the wording. Any wriggle room and the result will stand.
They've also appealed on maxs nose passing hamilton a few corners before the restart

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[BennyD]

So Mercedes are complaining that the race shouldn’t have restarted with only 4 laps left. I didn’t hear them complaining when Max’s tyre blew in Baku with 2 laps left and was restarted with everyone on new tyres. It was only Sham’s error that cost Mercedes the win. This is all about trying to make F1 more appealing for the Americans; contrived close racing and controversy is, in their view, the way forward. They will look back on this season and bask in the glow of the interest that has suddenly been re-ignited, due to dodgy decisions taken behind the scenes. Not since the dark days of Balestre has F1 been so crudely manipulated.

 

[conaero]

Well here is my twopenethworth…

I am not a Lewis fan, never have been. Lando is who I champion.

So I have sort of been wanting Max to take it but I must confess, Max over the past few races I have lost respect for. He’s just plain dangerous.

I do feel for Lewis today, I feel he was harshly treated but as others have pointed out, LH has had the rub of the green.

My biggest frustration is with race control over the last 6-8 races

Normally common sense prevails but I do agree that the decisions are now being based on entertainment. I suspect RC are being pressurised down this route by the new American owners. (Have you seen baseball/NFL?)

Anyway, controversial has always gone hand in hand with F1 and this season has been the most entertaining in a decade.

Lewis has actually come out of this in a higher regard in my eyes.

 

[Oneball]

So Mercedes are complaining that the race shouldn’t have restarted with only 4 laps left. I didn’t hear them complaining when Max’s tyre blew in Baku with 2 laps left and was restarted with everyone on new tyres. It was only Sham’s error that cost Mercedes the win. This is all about trying to make F1 more appealing for the Americans; contrived close racing and controversy is, in their view, the way forward. They will look back on this season and bask in the glow of the interest that has suddenly been re-ignited, due to dodgy decisions taken behind the scenes. Not since the dark days of Balestre has F1 been so crudely manipulated.

You could say that at least this time they weren’t showing favour to just one particular nationality of driver.

 

[Phil H]

Although his self control is debatable Verstappen undoubtedly had enough talent to keep him in contention, but it's a hollow victory when the prize is awarded after some very dubious decisions made off track. Hamilton's F1 experience and maturity are a credit to him and the Mercedes team, and I really do hope he gets the title next year.

 

[BennyD]

Absolutely. American stupidity transcends, race, creed and colour when it comes to entertainment. How else would Oprah Winfry become a billionaire? Vacuous b!tch.

 

[BennyD]

Although his self control is debatable Verstappen undoubtedly had enough talent to keep him in contention, but it's a hollow victory when the prize is awarded after some very dubious decisions made off track. Hamilton's F1 experience and maturity are a credit to him and the Mercedes team, and I really do hope he gets the title next year.

I reckon there's a good chance he'll get it this year as well. I can't stand the virtue signalling SJW, but I despise American interference even more. I won't be watching this farce again until the Spams and Sham f*ck off.

 

[Zep]

As Lumsden Bumhat said in his notebook, the issue is that Masi is trying to hard to communicate and explain to the teams. Also, I think the way the teams (both of them) have been on the radio trying to influence decisions (Toto today saying please no safety car after Gio pull out) is where this is going wrong. Don’t discuss, don’t explain, just rule. Like it used to be.

It was a no win situation for race control, finish the race under the SC, Max fans would cry fix. Let them race, Lewis fans cry fix. Rule without fear or favour.

Lewis was humble in defeat, so good for him. The bitching from Toto and Christian and their “sporting” directors has detracted from a great season.

I can’t see what Merc hope to achieve having a QC in the stewards room, by protesting the FIA, not the actions of another team, what redress can they hope for?

 

[gb-gta]

All this nonsense is another reason why MotoGP is miles better than F1.
Must say though I never thought F1 would turn into 70’s wrestling, or snooker.

 

[Rwc13]

Personally, F1 is over for me if the FIA choose to ignore the rule book and allow Massi his forced “entertaining” finish

 

[BennyD]

Personally, F1 is over for me if the FIA choose to ignore the rule book and allow Massi his forced “entertaining” finish

Welcome to the bright side! Massi is being operated by the Yanks, in an effort to make F1 more appealing. It's not about sport anymore, it's all about entertainment, controversy and manufactured racing. Whilst such sh!te works in Murica, I'm hoping the Europeans will see through it and tell them to f*ck off.

 

[Lozzer]

Personally, F1 is over for me if the FIA choose to ignore the rule book and allow Massi his forced “entertaining” finish

I digress, look at lap 1 again....

 

[Swedish Paul]

So who governs the governing body? The rejection of the appeal based on FIA not even following their own rules means they cannot be trusted. The simplest thing would have been to have the results based on safety car order. Red Bull would not be to blame. The owners of F1 must be ******** bricks, I wonder how much revenue they will lose through this.

Breakaway series anyone? Mercedes pulling the plug on F1 maybe?

This will end up at CAS.

 

[Swedish Paul]

I digress, look at lap 1 again....

Yep. Max went deep with no intention of leaving room.

 

[Rwc13]

^Correct

 

[midlifecrisis]

All this nonsense is another reason why MotoGP is miles better than F1.

Exactly my point.
There's no discussion, no horse play of positions, every racer/team knows the rules, if you get penalised during the race to take it. The fact that dorna show the transgression later just explains why to the viewers.

MotoGP Race direction is a consistent, fair and dictatorial.
Rules are discussed with the teams (IRTA), the federation (FIM) and the promotor (Dorna) In-between seasons and any changes occur then, not during races. Unless a loophole/safety issue is discovered, then maybe the next race.

 

[Rwc13]

Sadly, all this means is that the vast majority of people who follow F1 will see Vercrashen as a false champion, because he is, and even worse on this occasion it’s not even actually his fault

 

[gb-gta]

Maybe the FIA could take over running world football.

Then if one team is 4-0 up with 20 mins to go the referee can send off 4 players from the leading team so the other team can catch up and get back to 4-4. How exciting will that be !!!!!!!!!

To be honest if I was Hamilton I think I’d just retire now, when you know the championship is going to be rigged for a ‘grandstand‘ finish I think I’d just let the media types get on with it and move on.

And I’m not even a Hamilton fan. I’m a sports fan though.