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[Andyk]

Looks like Hamilton didn’t leave enough space…again

Seems like the official do not agree with a the three place penalty for Max at the next race. I thought it was more a racing incident. Lewis in front Max was entitled to take the line and both didn’t want to give up…That’s racing drivers chasing the championship for you but it you have to place blame I can see why it went Max’s way more than Lewis. Great race though an brilliant to see McLaren 1/2…

 

[Tallman]

So. Penalty for crashstappen

Driver penalty points at the start of Monza:

Verstappen 0
Hamilton 4 (including 2 from Silverstone for causing a crash with Verstappen)

 

[zagatoes30]

My tuppence not that anyone but me really cares

Verstappen was being over aggressive, he was never in front and was asking to much to squeeze his car into a space that just wasn't there. Hamilton was an idiot for trying to reverse out from under a car with a driver still in it. Verstappen was an idiot for keeping his foot in when his rear wheel was on a another drivers head and he wants a lesson in manners to check that the driver in the car below his was uninjured before he stormed off.

Once again the strength of the current F1 car saved a driver from serious injury or worse.

Perez & Red Bull need a reprimand for not giving places back when advantage gained off the track. They did it twice once on practise and once in the race on both occasions the driver had gained an advantage whilst off the track. Delaying, and or not giving the position back forces the stewards to give a time penalty which often means nothing if the driver at fault can get off up the track quickly. Drivers that don't give places back within a very short time period should be given an immediate drive through penalty which would force then to give the place up unless they were 100% sure the overtake was on the track.

Oh and my final rant, can some one disconnect Jonathon Wheatleys coms channel. He knows its the stewards that make decisions during the race not the race director but every time something happens that he doesn't like he is on the line to Masi trying to influence any decision.

Rant over

 

[Lozzer]

Seems like the official do not agree with a the three place penalty for Max at the next race. I thought it was more a racing incident. Lewis in front Max was entitled to take the line and both didn’t want to give up…That’s racing drivers chasing the championship for you but it you have to place blame I can see why it went Max’s way more than Lewis. Great race though an brilliant to see McLaren 1/2…

Like Silverstone you mean? Consistency is what we need.

 

[Oneball]

My tuppence not that anyone but me really cares

Verstappen was being over aggressive, he was never in front and was asking to much to squeeze his car into a space that just wasn't there. Hamilton was an idiot for trying to reverse out from under a car with a driver still in it. Verstappen was an idiot for keeping his foot in when his rear wheel was on a another drivers head and he wants a lesson in manners to check that the driver in the car below his was uninjured before he stormed off.

Once again the strength of the current F1 car saved a driver from serious injury or worse.

Perez & Red Bull need a reprimand for not giving places back when advantage gained off the track. They did it twice once on practise and once in the race on both occasions the driver had gained an advantage whilst off the track. Delaying, and or not giving the position back forces the stewards to give a time penalty which often means nothing if the driver at fault can get off up the track quickly. Drivers that don't give places back within a very short time period should be given an immediate drive through penalty which would force then to give the place up unless they were 100% sure the overtake was on the track.

Oh and my final rant, can some one disconnect Jonathon Wheatleys coms channel. He knows its the stewards that make decisions during the race not the race director but every time something happens that he doesn't like he is on the line to Masi trying to influence any decision.

Rant over

Spot on and the problem is kids/people getting into the sport see these sort of track antics, aggressive driving and gaining advantage as acceptable it’s killed a marshal recently and an F1 driver not so long ago, the safety measures are great but the lack of physical consequences needs to be replaced by performance ones.

 

[Lozzer]

Spot on and the problem is kids/people getting into the sport see these sort of track antics, aggressive driving and gaining advantage as acceptable it’s killed a marshal recently and an F1 driver not so long ago, the safety measures are great but the lack of physical consequences needs to be replaced by performance ones.

PlayStation Generation...

 

[Swedish Paul]

Driver penalty points at the start of Monza:

Verstappen 0
Hamilton 4 (including 2 from Silverstone for causing a crash with Verstappen)

This doesn’t mean a great deal. All drivers incur penalties through the season. I can’t remember the last time a driver actually got a suspension.

However, Verstappen has been commented on for over aggressive driving so many times now. He often gets away with it but it’s obvious his competitors have had their fill. It’s a shame because he seemed to be maturing of late and I for one have been warming to him. Aggression is part of his make up, it’s a shame he can’t manage it better.

 

[ChrissGT]

Let them race no. Stewards are there to decide whats right and wrong. I like the fact they race hard. It's wat makes great racing and rivalry.
Lewis definitly is not giving any more room anymore. He has just realised he needs to race hard and can't just rely on having the fastest car. And on the other hand verstappen actually has a better car so could be a bit more chill. But these guys are racing for every point, every second, its their nature.

It is also an inherent problem since it is so hard to overtake with these cars. You can't be patient and wait for a chance because it just won't be there (sprint race lewis vs lando). Nor is there another pitstop cause tires last the whole race basicly. Would be nice to see pirelli bring sets of tires which would force 2 stops.

 

[Froddy]

Yep. I thought so.
never bothered to ask if Hamilton was ok either.

For me, Verstappen walking away with no regard for Hamilton’s welfare was the most striking aspect to this incident.
Unfortunately, it will take another death for these chaps to respect the basic laws of nature. I’m not a Hamilton fan, but any gentleman would have prioritised the preservation of another human soul above a championship point or two.

 

[outrun]

 

[gb-gta]

Black tyre marks matter.

 

[Oneball]

Now we know where his driving ability came from.

 

[TimR]

For me, Verstappen walking away with no regard for Hamilton’s welfare was the most striking aspect to this incident.

Not only that but he was oblivious to his rear wheels spinning within touching proxomity of Hamilton's head...!
Verstappen's a d1ck-heed, it's official ! ("of course...!" )

 

[zagatoes30]

For me, Verstappen walking away with no regard for Hamilton’s welfare was the most striking aspect to this incident.

Compare that to the other week when Norris smashed hit McLaren at Spa the first driver at the scene was Vettel who stopped to check Norris was OK

 

[ChrissGT]

Compare that to the other week when Norris smashed hit McLaren at Spa the first driver at the scene was Vettel who stopped to check Norris was OK

Don't believe a young vettel would have done this though

 

[Tallman]

There is a lot of name calling and indignation re this crash. I get it that there are a lot of Hamilton fans here but lets stick to what happened and be a bit more objective:

They crashed
Max’s car slid over Hamilton’s halo
The car came to rest on Hamilton’s front wing and wheel, well in front of the halo
Both drivers tried to see if they could carry on - it seems Max briefly engaged gear to go forward but gave up when he realised one wheel was spinning (the wheel on Hamilton’s car did not move because the non-loaded wheel spun due to the differential). The other possibility is that he let out the clutch after the crash and it was still in gear. In any case there was no danger to Hamilton.
Whilst Max was climbing out of his car, Hamilton engaged in full reverse to get out with danger to Max had he succeeded as Max was in the process of climbing out.
Once out, Max saw Hamilton still trying to reverse so moved away
Max was adjudged to be predominantly the cause of the crash
Max was given a 3 place grid penalty for the next race

So if there is any indignation, it would seem that it could be for Max being adjudged predominantly the cause (but not fully, i.e. exactly the same position Hamilton was in at Silverstone and for which, for the record, there was no indignation on this forum).

I don’t see any justification for there being indignation for Max not checking to see if Hamilton, in the process of reversing, was ok whilst at the same time not noting with indignation that Hamilton was actually trying to reverse whilst Max was climbing out of his car with direct danger to Max. Let’s keep it real and let’s stop the name calling.

With respect to the penalty, as was the case in Silverstone (with more speed and much more serious crash), there were two racers going at it full tilt and not willing to give in, and in both cases the stewards decided that one of the drivers was predominantly the cause of the crash and they penalised that driver. In Hamilton’s case, the 10 second penalty still allowed him to win with Max out, leading to a 26 point swing. In Max’s case, he didn’t go on to score in Monza so they penalised him for the next race. So the penalty will bite Max a lot more than it did Hamilton so any talk of a “weak“ penalty is unjustified. In any case penalties are given for the crash without taking into account any effect on the championship. Whether that is fair is another discussion.

Lets enjoy the next race and hope they both calm down a bit…

 

[Hurricane52]

Max’s Dad broke someone’s skull at a karting track in 1998, but that wasn’t an accident. He’s also been arrested for fighting in nightclubs and assaulting his girlfriend with his car. Apples tend not to fall too far from the tree.

Might have nothing to do with his son I guess, but aggression could be the advantage Max needs to wrestle the championship away from Lewis. Let’s face it, Lewis has been able to combine his skill with the best equipment for many seasons with incredible results, but he doesn’t like it when it’s not going his way.

I think this is far from over.

 

[TimR]

Sorry !!

 

[philw696]

 

[philw696]

Ha ha posted at the same time