Formula 1 Qualifying F1

[Andyk]

Wonder if we will get more than two laps in ...Accident number two on first lap restart. Car upside down.

 

[Swedish Paul]

Flippin eck!! What’s going on!!

 

[Oneball]

Modern drivers take the same risks, only safety advances mean they are potentially likely to walk away.

This is the bit I disagree with, not their bravery as such. Because the risk of injury is significantly less you get them taking more risks and doing things that a driver wouldn’t have done in the 50s. The restart is the prime example. Driving standards in most top flight motorsport is shocking today. If they were as scared as a driver in the 50s they wouldn’t drive like they do.

 

[Lozzer]

It's a Status Quo then , driving to the tune of different machinery, it's all relative, ultimately the worst outcome is just the same.

 

[Oneball]

What he said ^

 

[Swedish Paul]

This is the bit I disagree with, not their bravery as such. Because the risk of injury is significantly less you get them taking more risks and doing things that a driver wouldn’t have done in the 50s. The restart is the prime example. Driving standards in most top flight motorsport is shocking today. If they were as scared as a driver in the 50s they wouldn’t drive like they do.

I think it’s rare that any driver would deliberately take a risk that causes a crash, but these cars are so fast, I think the time of the decision making process is so short. If they went half as fast, there would be fewer collisions. But who wants that, it’s part of the spectacle that we expect nowadays.

 

[Oneball]

This season has been terrible for avoidable accidents, they put themselves in situations that I wouldn’t as a racing driver for the simple fact that the cars I race are not as safe. Admittedly they’re mainly 20 year olds and you’re immortal at that age.

The “spectacle” is why they aren’t punished by the FIA.

I can’t think of a single F1 race this year where there hasn’t been a collision on the opening lap. It was only time before an accident like Grosjean’s. Worst thing is that photo of the car afterwards is when you realise it’s actually the other side of the barrier. Fire might have looked bad but God knows how he didn’t loose his head, those halos are only so strong.

 

[zagatoes30]

Feck that is one crash you are lucky to walk away from, before Halo the result would have been totally different, reading on one post that the deceleration was 53G that is going to hurt. Even after that whilst in a ball of flame Roman had the ability to release himself from eh car and climb out of the wreckage and get over there barrier - these guys are brave beyond description

 

[lifes2short]

are those barriers supposed to split like that, i thought they should just deform and absorb

 

[lifes2short]

latest vid showing burnt out wreckage, he's one lucky fella

 

[Oneball]

are those barriers supposed to split like that, i thought they should just deform and absorb

No, posts are supposed to fail at the ground but the rest is supposed to stay as one piece.

 

[lifes2short]

No, posts are supposed to fail at the ground but the rest is supposed to stay as one piece.

exactly, so perhaps lack of maintenance and/or missing bolts ??

 

[Oneball]

exactly, so perhaps lack of maintenance and/or missing bolts ??

Doubt it. I think it more likely the the Haas was exactly the right height to hit the join between the two strings.

Im surprised there’s not as much use of Safer Barrier like they use in Indycar.

 

[lifes2short]

Im surprised there’s not as much use of Safer Barrier like the use in Indycar.

had to google that, seems like a far better system and with no real possibility of any separating sections

 

[Hurricane52]

I haven’t seen today’s crash, but I do agree that the potential consequences influence the risks the drivers take. Surely that’s just human nature. I feel safe at 120mph in my GT-S, comfortable at 90 mph in the Ghibli and my pants change colour slightly at 60 mph in Siddeley.

 

[CatmanV2]

Surely that’s just human nature

It's exactly what people do. Convince people something is dangerous and they'll take fewer chances. Tell them it's safe(r) and they will take more risks. People tend to push up to their personal risk envelope.

Just glad he's OK.

C

 

[midlifecrisis]

Just saw a video of Grosjean in hospital saying how well he is thankfully. Testament to rigorous training of personnel, safety devices and medical facilities.

Apparently, Grosjean asked the doctor if he'll be able to play the piano. The doc said 'of course!'.
Grosjean replied 'amazing, I couldn't before!'

 

[zagatoes30]

Looks like an unmovable object got hit by an unmovable force something had to give, in this case the barrier gave way to the strength of the safety cell and deformed allowing the the cell to pass through saving Romians life

 

[midlifecrisis]

Barriers are designed to deflect a car whilst absorbing energy. Unfortunately Grosjean hit it pretty much square, and aerodynamically efficient F1 cars also cut through steel at speed.

 

[Phil the Brit]

Yeh, challenge the company founded in 1892. Poor move. Really it’s about him understanding IP, he can design a logo around his name and trademark it so long as it doesn’t tread on the toes of something already trademarked. That’s what Federer did with his RF logo. He just needs a better advisor.

That seems to be a theme, he’s well known for not having a manager and when it comes to his image, that looks to be unwise.

He’s an incredible talent, it’s not just the car but he’s done a stellar job of believing his own hype and his legacy may well be tainted now. The vegan, tax dodging, BLM protesting, fashion tw%t thing doesn’t sit well with the common man.

Vettel, on the other hand is managing to shake off his previous persona and is now coming across as being funny, likeable and full of class. Today, he’s trending for sending a handwritten reply to a fan’s letter. That’s a cool thing to do.

Kimi is the coolest guy on the grid. What a guy.

Alonso coming back is interesting as he’s a great talent and not the shy and retiring type.

DannyRic is a great personality and adds spice to the grid. He needs a competitive car to shake things up.

For all the talk of Stroll’s dad being the reason he’s there, he continues to show talent and is a decent driver.

For all the talk of Perez maybe losing a seat next year and being someone with talent who doesn’t have the breaks, that’s BS as he has a massive sponsor who comes with him and gives him the same advantage that Stroll has.

Lando is cool and refreshing to have there.

Leclerc is super talented but needs to iron out mistakes.

George Russell is destined for great things when a top drive comes about or Williams work out how to reclaim their place at the sharp end of the grid.

Hulk is loved but the stats don’t lie and he’s never had a podium in 98731893741894 races.

Sainz is fast and should give Leclerc a run for his money.

Gasly is fast and will get a better drive at some point.

Giovanazzi is not too bad and is giving Kimi a good run.

Ocon is being destroyed by DannyRic, especially given the hype from Wolff when he lost his seat.

Oh yeh. Max. He’s super super fast and wild. No doubt he’s a talent but he makes many mistakes and needs to solve that. Hamilton keeps winning because he has the experience to not make mistakes, trust the team and knuckle down and let the race come to him. Max wants to charge to the front on lap 2 and when pressed, makes mistakes.

Bottas is very good but needs to find a Rosberg season or he will be seen as the nearly guy.

Kyvat is average and should be gone.

K-mag and Grosjean are gone. I hope Haas can improve but i think they need a better Ferrari to do that so i expect a slow 2021 until the rule changes of 2022 allow a better crack at things.

Albon is too nice and has ruined his chance. He’s a great over taker and fast occasionally but Max has destroyed him. I don’t think the RedBull policy of having a lead driver is helping but he has to force them to rethink and he’s not doing that. I don’t think we will see him again next year. That seat is going to Perez or maybe Hulk to challenge Max. Max was better with DannyRic beside him and that wont be lost on Christian Horner.

I love F1 but there are so many things they must improve. Old Skool circuits, closer racing, tough tarmac surfaces, everything to make the racing closer and dare I say, more dangerous.

Christ, you were nearly spot on with that prediction, Grosjean was a lucky boy and very nearly gone. I do realise you didn't mean gone as in "gonner" though.