EVAP related hesitations Gransport

Oxytorch

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I have experienced annoying minor hesitations for a long time, along with excessively negative long-term fuel trims indicating a response to running rich.
The hesitations typically occur soon after start up, only at relatively low rpm 2000-3000, and light engine load. Worse after being parked in the hot sun for some hours, and also immediately after filling with fuel.
After ruling out various issues, I thought it could be related to the EVAP system. EVAP system provides no performance benefit or significant gas mileage benefit.
To test this out, I disconnected the electrical connecter to the purge solenoid, which means that it stays closed, and those annoying brief hesitations disappeared.
This does however trigger the CEL due to purge solenoid open circuit.
Interestingly, while STFT adjustments continue, the LTFT is frozen. This was confirmed when I reset DTC and LTFT remained zero.
Subsequently, I have removed the purge solenoid and checked it for correct function. Using a hand vacuum pump, it maintained vacuum and application of 9V DC demonstrated loss of vacuum, confirming proper operation of the valve. Resistance 21 Ohm. Re-installed and plugged in and the hesitations were back.

My suspicion is that the charcoal canister is bad and has lost it's capacity to store fuel vapours and that fuel vapour is bypassing the canister, so being pushed/sucked through the purge solenoid faster than it should if coming from a functioning charcoal canister. Does anyone think this reasoning is sound?

So, I'm thinking of two options.
1. More costly option: Replace the charcoal filter - does anyone know how easy this would be to DIY?
2. Cheap option $10. Disconnect the distal end of the purge solenoid and cap it off, and also cap off the hose that leads to the intake plenum (because it would result in a vacuum leak if not closed). I would not be keen on leaving the purge solenoid uncapped to vent fuel vapour into the engine bay. I would leave the purge solenoid plugged, which should prevent CEL and should allow ECU to make LTFT adjustments. This would be a cheaper and simpler option. My only concern is about the accumulation of fuel vapour within the fuel tank but not sure what adverse effect that would have. I didn't notice any problems for the two weeks driving with the purge solenoid electrical connection unplugged. Opened the gas cap on a number of occasions with no discernable pressure build up. I'm not sure if our fuel caps have a built in pressure check valve to release excessive pressure or vacuum within the fuel tank, although these valves usually don't activate until pressures of 11 to 14 kPa. I wonder if excess vapour just ends up going out the vent tube (terminates in left rear wheel housing) that's attached to the charcoal canister that usually draws in air when the purge solenoid opens - our cars don't appear to have a vent solenoid.

I think I might try option 2 for a couple of weeks and monitor what happens to my long term fuel trims. However, will probably order in a charcoal filter and fit it myself if it's not too difficult. Will report results.
 

stefanocirillo

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I sometimes find hesitation low revs but only cold start when i set off immediately. If i start it up, let it idle a bit and drive it doesn't hesitate. I guess just like humans in the morning cars take time to wake up too!
 

LORENZ-GS

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Oxytorch, im interested in your issue here. I noticed in my 06 coupe 4200 with 12k miles on it does this. If I keep the car moving at a steady low rpm, I get this huge hesitation at about every 10 seconds. Once I put on the gas and start driving and going thru the gears It doesn't do it.
 

Evo Cymru

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Hi there,

Interesting thread - not that I have noticed these probs with mine - asI have been wondering about changing mine (as per Maserati schedule). My car has done 90k so may well be in need of a change!

All I can add though, is that it is pretty straightforward to remove as I had to do this recently to get at the rear dampers.

Olly
 

Oxytorch

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Oxytorch, im interested in your issue here. I noticed in my 06 coupe 4200 with 12k miles on it does this. If I keep the car moving at a steady low rpm, I get this huge hesitation at about every 10 seconds. Once I put on the gas and start driving and going thru the gears It doesn't do it.

That sounds very similar to what I'm experiencing. A simple test to see if the EVAP system is at fault is to unplug the electrical connector to the purge solenoid and see if those symptoms disappear. Takes a few minutes to do. The purge solenoid should be located on driver's side in USA, at the rear of the engine bay. It looks like this:
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To get to it you need move the plastic shroud out of the way on that side. After removing the screws that hold the plastic shroud in position, you should be able to lift it up and pivot it around the bonnet strut to swing it out of the way. Or you can remove the clip that holds the bonnet strut in place, which allows you to take the shroud away completely. The purge solenoid sits in a rubber holder. The electrical connection is easy to disconnect. You just need pry off the little metal clip with a small screw driver that holds the plug in position. Once removed, just disconnect.

I would be very interested to see if it rectifies your car's hesitations.

Cheers.
John
 

conaero

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Both me and my brother were discussing this yesterday as we both have the same issue. I feel that the charcoal canister change is the correct solution here. If you do end up doing it, can you post up a pictorial how too of the process?

I am not really a fan of disconnecting stuff to save a few quid but I will watch your progress and see how it goes.

Mine does it mainly when restarting after filling up with fuel.
 

Zep

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I've just taken mine out to remove my rear shocks. The pipes are quick release, the filter is held on by two 10mm nuts and the bracket by 3 more 10mm nuts. I found I had to remove the filter with the bracket as there was some foam that stopped it sliding out. Will post some pics tomorrow...


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Zep

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Nothing, changing the bushes as I have done all of the wishbones and the ARBs. New hydraulic floor press has been a godsend!


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ecarca

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I will try to disconnect mine while replugging my MAF and see if I have any luck with my issue, except that mine is rather cold starting so I am not sure whether it is similar or not... will see.
 

LORENZ-GS

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Oxytorch, Im afraid im not the best candidate for an experiment. I took my car out the last 2 days and it did not do the hesitation. Today it did it while I was in second gear at a steady 3,000 rpm.
 

Zep

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Ok, a few pics for you. The process as I worked it out goes like this.

Remove boot carpet and left hand cover.

Pull poppers for fuel tank cover.

Remove pipes from the canister by squeezing the clamps and pulling.

Remove two 10mm nuts and washers from the charcoal canister clamp. It won't come out on my car due to the foam strips on the mounting bracket.

Reaching down the side of the tank, remove the three nuts and washers securing the bracket.

Lift the charcoal canister slightly to allow the bracket to the pulled from the studs.

The bracket drops down and this allows the canister to drop too, and it can then be withdrawn.

Refitting is the reverse of removal, put the filter in and line it up so the lip at the back is in front of the end of the bracket.

Lift the bracket up and push onto the studs, put the nuts on hand tight and put the canister into the bracket at the back. Tighten nuts for the bracket then refit the clamp.

Reconnect the pipes in the correct positions.

Have a cup of tea.

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Zep

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These are the labels from it, the part is made by Dayco. Not sure what the Maserati number is.

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Zep

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That is very interesting. I know a very good plastic welder...


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