EV and advice from any users please!

[Wack61]

I would. When I travel for work I don’t need to visit a petrol station every few days and having a big engine is of no use in slow traffic on the M1. Then I can save my fun miles for the car I bought with the savings.

If you do 400 miles a day, I can see issues with charging. 100-150 miles round trip is more than doable with an EV with home charging. Which would fit well with how I go about my business.

As for the environmental benefits, you either believe it or you don’t. I get that, with the proliferation of different info available, it’s possible to make different judgements.

If they were the same cost in BIK tax you'd pick a tesla over an RS6 , So the only saving is fuel ?

I can't say I'd do the same , tesla's do nothing for me, I'd pick that E-tron RS though , that looks fantastic, even better than the pictures.

 

[Zep]

If they were the same cost in BIK tax you'd pick a tesla over an RS6 , So the only saving is fuel ?

I can't say I'd do the same , tesla's do nothing for me, I'd pick that E-tron RS though , that looks fantastic, even better than the pictures.

Yes. There is no enjoyment in ploughing up and down the motorway in either so I’ll take the cash.

 

[Andyk]

The BIK tax saving on a 90k tesla v an RS6 is thousands a year which is how they've sold so many , who'd pick a tesla over an RS6 if the costs were the same.

On a 90k tesla BIK tax is 2%
an RS6 is a bit more View attachment 100955

90k Tesla…..I wouldn’t pay 9k for one….Saying that it is all rather out of my league as my company car allowance would not stretch that far. There isn’t a Tesla though that I would put my money or my companies. Hateful things to look at…That one that costs over well over 100k with gull wing doors is a hideous creation. Musk should be thrown in jail for crimes against car design.

 

[Tallman]

It is very much the plan, right now some very large in front of the meter projects are happening to improve resilience with Battery Energy Storage Systems. When there are more EVs they will become a supersize version of this.

To me it’s a positive thing, using one resource for two purposes.

Tesla is busy with that next level battery

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesm...demonstrates-100-year-4-million-mile-battery/

 

[Zep]

Tesla is busy with that next level battery

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesm...demonstrates-100-year-4-million-mile-battery/

Indeed.

 

[mjheathcote]

My company doesn’t pay for the charger installation at home but I think you can still get a government grant which will pay 70/80% of the cost. Fuel cards for electric cars they have not got to grips with either. The chargers they are going to put in work can only be used for company cars so that is one way to do it I suppose. As a company car it is an absuloute no brainer as long as you get the range you need. The tax on something like a petrol 3 series was £350, hybrid version was £195 and the electric £0 plus I can get a more expensive electric car due to the government pushing companies to offer them. Range is my only concern as said before.

My Mrs employer doesn't pay for a home charger installing, and the government grant to contribute (£350) ended a couple of months ago.
Yes the claiming/paying for electric for business usage is a problem for me going EV having opted out with car allowance instead

 

[Andyk]

My Mrs employer doesn't pay for a home charger installing, and the government grant to contribute (£350) ended a couple of months ago.
Yes the claiming/paying for electric for business usage is a problem for me going EV having opted out with car allowance instead

Ah right so no Grant then. I opted out 4 years ago as if just was not worth having a company car. I would have lost the £598 allowance and then get taxed heavily for the car as well and while I get no insurance, no servicing, tyres cost etc the £598 was better in my bank account. The only reason I am now looking is because you don’t pay the tax on the electric cars so made it more appealing but still think the I should just stay as I am.

 

[RodTungsten]

You joke but I believe that is a future plan , cars connected to the grid become storage for the grid with the electricity companies removing a bit to top up the grid when there's high demand and the car battery is fully charged.

Octopus are already on to this and Nissan was doing it in the East some time ago. Renault are not involved with Octopus (yet) and I bet car makers will show some reluctance “So Dr Tungsten, you seem to have been using your EV battery as a battery?”

 

[Wack61]

Thank you

Last time I had a company car it was £5500 BIK for a 2.0 diesel that I didn't want.

It's not changed , you'd be mad to choose a diesel anything as a company car if they'll let you have an EV

 

[FIFTY]

Interestingly my boss just took a diesel company car but he said he was fed up of having an EV.

Doesn't work if you are covering a decent sized patch.

 

[philw696]

UK government axes plug-in car grant with immediate effect | Autocar

Buyers will no longer be able to claim £1500 off the price of sub-£32,000 electric cars

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[rockits]

It is odd to me. Try to get people in to EV's but remove car charger grants, remove any EV purchase grants, increase interest rates, increases taxes.
What's next? Remove BIK too?

Not sure the numbers work out if only the rich can afford them.

 

[Ewan]

I was just reading in EVO that the new Lucid Air EV has 1100 bhp and a 520 mile range. Not shabby for a luxury 4 seat saloon. Anyone on here need more power or range than that?
They do cheaper one at about £60k, but that makes do with “only” 800 bhp and 400 mile range.
Interesting times are ahead!

 

[Ewan]

It is odd to me. Try to get people in to EV's but remove car charger grants, remove any EV purchase grants, increase interest rates, increases taxes.
What's next? Remove BIK too?

Not sure the numbers work out if only the rich can afford them.

Yes - they are removing the BIK benefits (well, reducing them). All the early incentives were exactly that - early incentives. Just to get the ball rolling. But of course, as buying an EV becomes the norm, the need for incentives becomes less necessary.

 

[Tallman]

I just hope the European manufacturers are going to bring cheaper options on the market before we get flooded by the Chinese. This could well be another manufacturer take-over from the east if they are caught napping with all the consequences. I didn’t like Trump (at all - and that is being polite), but the one thing he did do was go after China with tariffs. If there is one thing we’ve learnt since February it is not to trust / engage / trade with countries with authoritarian regimes as it will come back to bite you. This is where government has a role as entrepreneurs, how much we like them, are in it for the money and not necessarily long term strategic goals (in which the Chinese in fact are masters…).

 

[rockits]

I was just reading in EVO that the new Lucid Air EV has 1100 bhp and a 520 mile range. Not shabby for a luxury 4 seat saloon. Anyone on here need more power or range than that?
They do cheaper one at about £60k, but that makes do with “only” 800 bhp and 400 mile range.
Interesting times are ahead!

I don't get it to be honest. Nobody needs more than 400bhp on the road these days and even then that is plenty. If they were lighter then 400bhp in a sports car that weighed a ton would be a cracking car. What is the point of 1100bhp and 0-60 in 2 secs?

To make things weight 2.5t seems backwards to me. Lighter improves range, smaller batteries, less metals and other precious raw materials needed. Bigger, heavier and more is not really a very compelling or ideal that makes sense to me.

My wife's MG makes me feel quite sick if I start chucking it around at full throttle with full brake regen. That is with a car with circa 174bhp!

We need cheaper lighter smaller daily family EV's where the biggest numbers will be.

 

[Ewan]

I don't get it to be honest. Nobody needs more than 400bhp on the road these days and even then that is plenty. If they were lighter then 400bhp in a sports car that weighed a ton would be a cracking car. What is the point of 1100bhp and 0-60 in 2 secs?

To make things weight 2.5t seems backwards to me. Lighter improves range, smaller batteries, less metals and other precious raw materials needed. Bigger, heavier and more is not really a very compelling or ideal that makes sense to me.

My wife's MG makes me feel quite sick if I start chucking it around at full throttle with full brake regen. That is with a car with circa 174bhp!

We need cheaper lighter smaller daily family EV's where the biggest numbers will be.

I agree that we need lighter, cheaper and smaller daily EV’s, and of course, that’s exactly what will happen over the next few years.
But when the Veyron (a heavy car) came out with 1000bhp and crazy speed, everybody said it was an engineering miracle. Already electric cars out-perform it at a fraction of the cost (and with far greater range!) - and we’re only at the beginning of the EV journey.

 

[bigbob]

I agree that we need lighter, cheaper and smaller daily EV’s, and of course, that’s exactly what will happen over the next few years.
But when the Veyron (a heavy car) came out with 1000bhp and crazy speed, everybody said it was an engineering miracle. Already electric cars out-perform it at a fraction of the cost (and with far greater range!) - and we’re only at the beginning of the EV journey.

True. I am extending my ownership of my ICE cars till BEV cars get where I want them to be but that will happen soon enough. I did order a base 911 a year ago but by the time that comes it will a pointless purchase especially with the dull sounding GPF filtered engine. Increasingly no future for bottom of the range Euro6 petrol sports cars.

 

[rockits]

The problem is people haven't got the money to pay such a premium to an equivalent ICE. Especially if you don't do many miles. So I don't see a quick enough uptake at the moment. The bulk of sales have I suspect been company cars, company leases and for people with a bit more cash. If you start taking the grants away and maybe some of the tax incentives then the incentive lessens.

 

[bigbob]

The problem is people haven't got the money to pay such a premium to an equivalent ICE. Especially if you don't do many miles. So I don't see a quick enough uptake at the moment. The bulk of sales have I suspect been company cars, company leases and for people with a bit more cash. If you start taking the grants away and maybe some of the tax incentives then the incentive lessens.

Very true. The government is pump priming demand with zero/low BIK incentives which will have a massive positive impact on sentiment. Once the really cheap Far Eastern stuff starts arriving, people will happily convert. Might take 5+ years mind.