EV and advice from any users please!

[Ewan]

But comparing new for new, electric car depreciation is no worse than that on ICE cars. Indeed, quite often it’s less. Look at the Taycan, for example.
As long as you compare apples for apples, running an electric car is currently considerably cheaper than running its ICE equivalent, depreciation included. And that is the main reason why so many people are buying electric cars, many years before they are forced to.

 

[Andyk]

But comparing new for new, electric car depreciation is no worse than that on ICE cars. Indeed, quite often it’s less. Look at the Taycan, for example.
As long as you compare apples for apples, running an electric car is currently considerably cheaper than running its ICE equivalent, depreciation included. And that is the main reason why so many people are buying electric cars, many years before they are forced to.

Agree there Ewan, no matter how you look at it like for like it is cheaper to run an electric car and I have looked into this lots. Add the fact as the years go on less and less people will be buying our 2nd hand ICE cars probably so depreciation will naturally drop on you run of the mill ICE cars. I still think though that range is the highest issue for these cars and the infrastructure. This has to improve before they become a viable option for most.

 

[mjheathcote]

Agree there Ewan, no matter how you look at it like for like it is cheaper to run an electric car and I have looked into this lots. Add the fact as the years go on less and less people will be buying our 2nd hand ICE cars probably so depreciation will naturally drop on you run of the mill ICE cars. I still think though that range is the highest issue for these cars and the infrastructure. This has to improve before they become a viable option for most.

I don't think range and infrastructure is the problem for most.
Yes if for business usage.
Yes if you can't charge at home.
But everyone else their daily mileage running around, commuting to work, is well within the round trip range of most EV's.
Biggest problem is that they are so expensive and being relatively new, there aren't many used ones compared to ICE cars.
Cheapest you can buy would be the Leaf at around 10 years old and £5k. But the range is really a problem with one of those limited by the battery tech/capacity 10 years ago, and the number of recharge cycles it has had over 10 years.

 

[rockits]

I had a choice yesterday to drive to local family birthday tea in the wife's EV likely journey cost of 50p. Or take the XJ and cost maybe £5. I took the XJ and the journey was much more pleasant for all 4.

The EV works well for us with local daily short school run and the like. Anything else I'd need to speed a lot on an EV for something I'd want to drive.

The XJ is worth circa £15k and will likely not drop any or much more. The Cayenne was £3k so can't really drop much more. Yes the running costs are higher but I just don't do enough journeys or miles to make an RV make sense for most of my journeys.

I think if you do more miles and mainly home charge also as a company car it makes a lot of sense. I would certainly have an XJL BEV no problem. Problem being that it won't be £15k to buy.

 

[dickygrace]

Yes that may be the case, but cost alone is not the only deciding factor for some people - I would dare say that for the average Maserati driver that would go as well. For me the emissions are importent too. Certainly given I’ve got a Maserati which isn’t so good on emissions. The EV balances it out a little at least. I guess the man maths extends to EV’s

Why are emissions important? If they are surely you wouldn’t buy a new car.

 

[dickygrace]

But comparing new for new, electric car depreciation is no worse than that on ICE cars. Indeed, quite often it’s less. Look at the Taycan, for example.
As long as you compare apples for apples, running an electric car is currently considerably cheaper than running its ICE equivalent, depreciation included. And that is the main reason why so many people are buying electric cars, many years before they are forced to.

Look at a Taycan; current examples aren’t real world as the Covid lack of production etc means values are distorted. By that argument a Macan appreciates throughout its life. A one year old car is over list. My point is that depreciation dwarfs fuel savings on most cars in ‘normal’ times.

 

[dickygrace]

Agree there Ewan, no matter how you look at it like for like it is cheaper to run an electric car and I have looked into this lots. Add the fact as the years go on less and less people will be buying our 2nd hand ICE cars probably so depreciation will naturally drop on you run of the mill ICE cars. I still think though that range is the highest issue for these cars and the infrastructure. This has to improve before they become a viable option for most.

They cost obscene figures and most depreciate heavily. I just don’t think they’re cheaper.

 

[Tallman]

Why are emissions important? If they are surely you wouldn’t buy a new car.

I don’t buy new in any case and in this case I am replacing a 10yr old ICE car. Not sure I get your question re why emissions are important? Unless you are a climate change denier of course

Re cost, you need to factor the depreciation in the cost per km to get a proper comparison and these days the environmental cost also becomes a factor - that is my point.

As with everything, the cost is a result of your choice and your preference. Some insist on driving a new car for their own reasons and that comes with higher depreciation cost.

 

[rockits]

Emissions is such an odd anonamli as there is too much misinformation, disinformation also variables that make it almost impossible to derive real true metrics. Building a new car from scratch must be hugely in efficient but it fits the govts narratives.

Most modern economies tell us we need growth and advancement when really we don't. The economy and modern countries needs it to stop it all collapsing. We could run all the old cars for years with less impact on the environment. Especially post Covid when global emissions must have been reduced.

They will of course all spike up again as govts short sighted answers are to grow, create more and print more currency to feed to Ponzi flames. I'd love to see real world data/metrics as I don't feel it is environmentally more friendly to destroy reasonably modern not so old cars to replace them with new ones. Most people just don't do enough miles to make it all make sense.

If I work out my carbon tonnage spent over a lifetime of existing ICE vs buying a new car every 2-3 years I cant see how that works out better for the environment. With pretty efficient already built modern cars seems sense to sweat these assets longer.

I'd like to see metrics on road wear and the like with many driving 2 ton plus cars rather than the 1 ton cars we should be driving. Smaller and lighter should be the focus not bigger and heavier.

 

[boomerang]

No advise from me.
Hate EV’s.
Driven Model S/X, ID3 and Polestar.
Out of curiosity.
They take away every joy from driving a car.
For me.
The driving experience is the total opposite of driving a Gransport.
I know, stupid comparison
Will try to shift buying an EV as far away into the future, as possible.

 

[Tallman]

If I work out my carbon tonnage spent over a lifetime of existing ICE vs buying a new car every 2-3 years I cant see how that works out better for the environment. With pretty efficient already built modern cars seems sense to sweat these assets longer.

I don’t think anyone is saying that replacing cars every 2-3 years works out better for the environment. Like with fridges and airconditioners with environmentally “dirty” gas at the time, you want to phase out environmentally “dirty” cars, ie when you replace, replace with something cleaner.

 

[RodTungsten]

No advise from me.
Hate EV’s.
Driven Model S/X, ID3 and Polestar.
Out of curiosity.
They take away every joy from driving a car.
For me.
The driving experience is the total opposite of driving a Gransport.
I know, stupid comparison
Will try to shift buying an EV as far away into the future, as possible.

Horses for courses:
Maserati for driving pleasure
Old Citroen DS for same plus amusement keeping it moving
2 wheels for more fun sitting down
Small EV as runabout.
If I were still a wage slave but not in my home office in underpants directing IT stuff I would commute in them all - luxury of choice.

 

[rockits]

I don’t think anyone is saying that replacing cars every 2-3 years works out better for the environment. Like with fridges and airconditioners with environmentally “dirty” gas at the time, you want to phase out environmentally “dirty” cars, ie when you replace, replace with something cleaner.

Agreed. I guess doing things like changing from old bulbs to new LED low energy bulbs of course makes sense. Especially at the time to blow and are replaced.

Seems all very much in line with our constant throw away society where too much is disposable and new stuff doesn't often seem as well built as much old stuff.

 

[rockits]

Horses for courses:
Maserati for driving pleasure
Old Citroen DS for same plus amusement keeping it moving
2 wheels for more fun sitting down
Small EV as runabout.
If I were still a wage slave but not in my home office in underpants directing IT stuff I would commute in them all - luxury of choice.

Agreed that a hybrid approach seems to work best as one size doesn't fit all. I don't mean hybrid EV btw

Often we find the govts and society trying to push one size fits all and needs to fit all when it doesn't. Also often alienating some for thinking sensibly for their own use and circumstances. If people want to run an old car because it suits there circumstances and use best they should be able to without being told what they should be doing. Or being alienated or cast from mainstream society because they have sensibly chosen to do something different from the majority or govts path.

The problem for me now is many govts have proven many times now that they lie and cannot be trusted. So then we feel rightly cynical when we need to trust them with what they says about EV's, the environmental issues and the like.

 

[Andyk]

They cost obscene figures and most depreciate heavily. I just don’t think they’re cheaper.

Looking at used electric cars it doesn’t feel like they depreciate anymore than ICE ones. Is it particular makes ?

 

[rockits]

Looking at used electric cars it doesn’t feel like they depreciate anymore than ICE ones. Is it particular makes ?

I think the current market is skewed currently and will change over the next few years I feel. Once demand and supply normalise I suspect we will see a different picture.

 

[Tallman]

Agreed. I guess doing things like changing from old bulbs to new LED low energy bulbs of course makes sense. Especially at the time to blow and are replaced.

Seems all very much in line with our constant throw away society where too much is disposable and new stuff doesn't often seem as well built as much old stuff.

Yes, the made in China syndrome…..cheap but crappy. I think that is actually a great analogy of our general problem. We look at the short term and don’t factor in the long term (environmental) cost. In the end it is going to cost us as we are living economically, but also environmentally unsustainable.

 

[dickygrace]

I don’t buy new in any case and in this case I am replacing a 10yr old ICE car. Not sure I get your question re why emissions are important? Unless you are a climate change denier of course

Re cost, you need to factor the depreciation in the cost per km to get a proper comparison and these days the environmental cost also becomes a factor - that is my point.

As with everything, the cost is a result of your choice and your preference. Some insist on driving a new car for their own reasons and that comes with higher depreciation cost.

Not a climate change denier, but I do see through the stuff we are told is good for the climate. From what I understand the best things you can do for the climate are not to fly, reproduce or eat meat. Making electric cars simply isn’t good for the climate as manufacturing emissions take 12 years give or take to even out.

 

[dickygrace]

Looking at used electric cars it doesn’t feel like they depreciate anymore than ICE ones. Is it particular makes ?

I don’t buy them, but I do buy depreciation free ICE cars.

 

[rockits]

Not a climate change denier, but I do see through the stuff we are told is good for the climate. From what I understand the best things you can do for the climate are not to fly, reproduce or eat meat. Making electric cars simply isn’t good for the climate as manufacturing emissions take 12 years give or take to even out.

Agreed. Reducing or stopping use or journeys or looking at the source is always a great and most impactful way. Rather then making minor questionable savings midway down the path after the source.

Not doing the unnecessary journey reduces by 100%. Any BEV or electric plane will never achieve anything close.

That is not a call for support of the Metaverse of course!