EV and advice from any users please!

DLax69

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At least they chose red:

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Oneball

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Well that I didn't know. Doesn't seem to tally with the numbers I see for cars for sale on FB, but....

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Hmmm random googling indicates that the average age of a car in the US when scrapped is about 13 years
Average milage driven by a Leftpondian is roughly 14k miles (UK seems to be about 7.4k and has dropped a lot since the pandemic. That feels low to me, I thought it was always abotu 12k but there we are)
So imperfectly 13 years at 14k per year...
186k KM

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14k miles per year for 13 years is 292k km.
 

Lozzer

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Ah, the joy of Giles Coren. Never knowingly made a career out of moaning about absolutely everything.

I heard he believes man was never meant to fly because he once had a seat next to the toilet.
Not familiar with the bloke so tell me something in that article that isn't true...
 

Zep

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Not familiar with the bloke so tell me something in that article that isn't true...

I've no idea if any of it is true or not. But I am reasonably familiar with his work, he is paid to write opinion pieces which he knows very well get more clicks / reads if they are negative. The strap line for one of his books is "Star of BBC's Supersizers and hugely popular The Times columnist's works through his anger about everything from dogs to cycle helmets."

While his experience may well be true, this is someone who makes money from being aerated about something as mundane as a cycle helmets. So, to me at least, his portrayal is likely to extrapolate from one poor experience of an unreliable car to the trashing of an entire technology in front of a willing audience. Because it pays his mortgage.

This is what I meant when I said "I heard he believes man was never meant to fly because he once had a seat next to the toilet."
 

Wattie

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Seems to Me that an electric car is only viable if you plan to do short local trips to and from your abode. The end.
This is in line with the 15 minute city concept they’ll force on us.

If you plan to use it like a traditional vehicle as Mr Giles outlined it’s totally ****. Working or not. The range and charger limitations then bring you crashing back to reality as they turn a straight forwards journey into Charger roulette and therefore test the patience of the incumbents as you figure out ways to maximize your enjoyment of the service station you temporarily inhabit whilst u wait your place in the q. Anyone with kids and a wife knows that this will be stressful and likely ruin your sex life.

Thus a hire car is required for holiday travel or alternatively use your traditionally fired car which will get you there without the bother.

Ev, no thanks. Never.
 

DLax69

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Seems to Me that an electric car is only viable if you plan to do short local trips to and from your abode. The end.
This is in line with the 15 minute city concept they’ll force on us.

If you plan to use it like a traditional vehicle as Mr Giles outlined it’s totally ****. Working or not. The range and charger limitations then bring you crashing back to reality as they turn a straight forwards journey into Charger roulette and therefore test the patience of the incumbents as you figure out ways to maximize your enjoyment of the service station you temporarily inhabit whilst u wait your place in the q. Anyone with kids and a wife knows that this will be stressful and likely ruin your sex life.

Thus a hire car is required for holiday travel or alternatively use your traditionally fired car which will get you there without the bother.

Ev, no thanks. Never.
I never say never, except that I just did...twice...and so far that's where I am, too. Maybe one day, when there's no other option available. I just keep coming back to the idea that we ought to be exploring every/any possible technologies and not simply reordering the world for plug-ins.
 
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I really hope I do not die early but I also hope that I’ll never be forced into driving an EV…..

Can an ICE hang on for me??

The simple solution……..

……. Ban sales of all new cars (ie no more manufacturing), mandate all manufacturers to reproduce parts for cars made after 1999 and push fully synthetic fuel as Porsche are doing…..

……. That will solve most of the problems….

…. Oh and ban ships run on diesel and aeroplanes and big artics…… remanufacture everything locally and reverse globalisation …… that may be a bit harder to achieve I must admit
 

Wattie

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The fundamental issue for me is that Evs are not viable without the necessary recharging infrastructure ( at current range capability). It would take decades to introduce enough chargers to satisfy anywhere near a majority useage.
By then the technology will probably be obsolete.
 

Wack61

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What codgewallop. Old Giles should be ashamed of his stupidity, and then blaming everyone else. My fuel tank has a certain range, and before it runs dry, I plan to put more in.

I’m not saying electric is perfect, or hybrid, cos it isn’t. I wonder is stupidity is inherent.
I have personal experience of an iPace

I sold a turntable to a guy in Brighton, I said no post as there was no way it'd arrive in one piece so he cheerfully replied I'll collect it

Next day, 3 hours past the expected arrival time I gave him a ring, I'll be there at 8am tomorrow

Turns out Brighton to Warrington is a step too far for an iPace and given the EV sales of the last 12 months it's probably worse today

It was February, bad weather, horrific traffic and cold, he ran out charge twice, because crawling with heater, lights wipers and I assume battery heating on, third time to charge he pulled into the services on the M6 at Knutsford to find 2 chargers broken and a number of cars waiting so he checked into the hotel

I'd think most that think EVs are the bees knees rarely if ever charge away from home and they own an ICE car

I also wonder if they'd choose an EV if the costs were the same as ICE , no 2% instead of 37% Benefit In Kind tax incentive to go EV for instance, I doubt they would, especially if it were their only car
 

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So I know it's extreme but I had to go to the top of Scotland this weekend (Thurso) from near Reading - this was for some site survey's up there plus a few on the way and way back. I decided to do it over the weekend as it was more convenient.

Yes I could have flown to Inverness and rented a car but by leaving home at 9am on Friday in the car I had full control of the task!

What I noticed:

Very little charging infrastructure, probably the best place was Pitlochry but all were occupied and only a few were high power.

Today it was very windy, but too windy for the wind turbines so they were turned away from the wind and stationary

I did 1600 miles since Friday morning
I visited 6 sites
2 Premier Inn's (the one is Thurso is excellent btw!)

But what did I achieve this feat in?

My 2007 Subaru Legacy Estate with 151,000 miles on it (last MOT, no advisories) and achieved 34mpg on E10 unleaded for the trip - oh and it's worth about £400 on WBAC or maybe £1800 as private sale.

I would suggest this was more eco friendly (and efficient) than running a new EV but that doesn't mean I'm still not looking at one because I can have it from work with barely any BIC, the difference is that the missus will use the EV locally whilst I still run the Subaru into the ground - I want to hit 200k before it retires.
 

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The fundamental issue for me is that Evs are not viable without the necessary recharging infrastructure ( at current range capability). It would take decades to introduce enough chargers to satisfy anywhere near a majority useage.
By then the technology will probably be obsolete.

This comes from a peer reviewed source “The Sun”.
 
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Ewan

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To sum up every EV thread we ever have on this forum:
Those of us that actually have them and use them everyday, like them.
Those that don’t have them, don’t like them.
Both those that do and don’t have them, still like ICE cars as well.
The end.
 

Felonious Crud

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To sum up every EV thread we ever have on this forum:
Those of us that actually have them and use them everyday, like them.
Those that don’t have them, don’t like them.
Both those that do and don’t have them, still like ICE cars as well.
The end.
Sort of. Many would be happy to with an electric car if it suited their purposes, which for many it doesn't. Yours works well because you only do local runs in it. If you drove to the top of Scotland it may be less fit for your purposes.
 

Wattie

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Sort of. Many would be happy to with an electric car if it suited their purposes, which for many it doesn't. Yours works well because you only do local runs in it. If you drove to the top of Scotland it may be less fit for your purposes.
And he has a team of servants to come and rescue him with a 300mile long charging cable if he ever runs low!!
 

mowlas

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To sum up every EV thread we ever have on this forum:
Those of us that actually have them and use them everyday, like them.
Those that don’t have them, don’t like them.
Both those that do and don’t have them, still like ICE cars as well.
The end.

I don’t really think that does sum up every thread on EVs on this forum. There are many of us (me included) who have been genuinely considering buying one, but trying to understand what the commitment would mean and is now the right time.

Factored into that decision, for a few of us, is the true environmental impact of staying with our ICE cars or adding or replacing with an EV. For others the financial, aesthetic and driving pleasure trade offs.

Clearly the answers to those questions are moving and changing all the time so you’d expect the thread to run and evolve.