EV and advice from any users please!

[Felonious Crud]

Bluewater....

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[CatmanV2]

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Not far from the truth, TBH

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[Gazcw]

There is one in Northampton now.

 

[safrane]

Found out today that the 'free' charges in the carpark I use close to work are now charged... only to be expected given the rise in energy cost. So now at £0.28 per KWh which is lower than most. Whilst on holiday last week I came across one point at the Swan Hotel at the foot of Windermear which is charging £0.77 per KWh!!!

 

[gb-gta]

0.77 per kWh. That’s about 40mpg equivalent at todays prices at roughly 3 miles per kWh.

Of course that will be the normal price soon, even at home, as the govt is obviously not going to lose the fuel duty.

I guess that’s why they brought tin the new law about ev and domestic home electricity being required to be metered separately.

I believe the new cap is 34p/kWh from Oct 1, I guess it would be more than double that now without government (ie. taxpayers) bail out.

 

[Wack61]

It's not just the cost of electricity , there's millions of pounds in infrastructure to be recovered and a profit to be made as well as the loss of fuel duty so it can't be cheap for much longer

It's those with company cars that benefit due to the 2% BIK , though you wouldn't be charging it at home unless the company were paying for it.

 

[Wack61]

Its just the current version of the trend twenty years ago to spend £20k+ to upgrade a petrol car for a diesel one to save £500 pa.

I was talking to a woman with a nissan leaf who was telling me it did 250 miles to Scotland easily and cost £17 to charge so the money she'd saved

Obviously this is completely ignoring the 15k she's paying to rent it over 3 years then hand it back.

 

[safrane]

0.77 per kWh. That’s about 40mpg equivalent at todays prices at roughly 3 miles per kWh.

Of course that will be the normal price soon, even at home, as the govt is obviously not going to lose the fuel duty.

I guess that’s why they brought tin the new law about ev and domestic home electricity being required to be metered separately.

I believe the new cap is 34p/kWh from Oct 1, I guess it would be more than double that now without government (ie. taxpayers) bail out.

Indeed - I noted this a few weeks back that the cost of 'fuel' only is pretty much 1/1,; now will the lower depreciation of an EV counter this against its higher purchase price?... time will tell.

For me anything above 40p/KWh is less value than putting petrol in based on today's petrol price of c£1.70 per LTR in the XC90 T8... So Tesco and Sainsbury will be used to subsidise my EV use.

 

[gb-gta]

To be fair early adopters got cheap elec rates, therefore cheap ‘fuel’. Those days are over already it seems as 250 miles is about 80kwh for the lady in her leaf. It’s 34p/kWh from oct 1 and that’s subsidised by a factor of at least 2 so should be 70p.

That's not £17, current ‘real’ cost is therefore £56 at least. That’s about 7.5 gallons at current prices, so the equivalent of 33mpg, without taxpayer subsidy.

 

[safrane]

I was talking to a woman with a nissan leaf who was telling me it did 250 miles to Scotland easily and cost £17 to charge so the money she'd saved

Obviously this is completely ignoring the 15k she's paying to rent it over 3 years then hand it back.

From Gloucestershire to Penrith last week the XC90 only used £35.00 in fuel over the same £250 miles!... even I was shocked!

 

[Zep]

The price of electricity for me has just gone up, to 7.5p per kWh. So if 77p/kWh is 40mpg, that means I am getting 400mpg. Sorry, it’s still much cheaper.

 

[gb-gta]

The price of electricity for me has just gone up, to 7.5p per kWh. So if 77p/kWh is 40mpg, that means I am getting 400mpg. Sorry, it’s still much cheaper.

It is, for now….
For a new ev user is that rate currently available?

For chargers out and about, for example where the 77p was mentioned, are these now going to be priced based on commercial elec rates, rather than the taxpayer subsidised capped 34p rate for domestic users? Maybe that’s why it was 77p, it’s the real cost!

 

[safrane]

The price of electricity for me has just gone up, to 7.5p per kWh. So if 77p/kWh is 40mpg, that means I am getting 400mpg. Sorry, it’s still much cheaper.

But even my longest extension lead would not have been able to cover the 250 miles distance from my home to that location ;0)

 

[drellis]

at the moment if you can get away with only charging at home at night thenthenstill miles cheaper. If you have to charge during the day then maybe not. of i cant get to destination and back ( 120 miles ish on my i3 ) ill take the diesel

 

[Zep]

It is, for now….
For a new ev user is that rate currently available?

For chargers out and about, for example where the 77p was mentioned, are these now going to be priced based on commercial elec rates, rather than the taxpayer subsidised capped 34p rate for domestic users? Maybe that’s why it was 77p, it’s the real cost!

But even my longest extension lead would not have been able to cover the 250 miles distance from my home to that location ;0)

It is the current (as in recently increased octopus go tariff). I get that you can’t always charge at home, but like only filling up occasionally at the motorway services, on aggregate it’s going to be pretty cheap.

 

[gb-gta]

Isn’t it only 7.5p for 4 hours a day, the other 20 hours being 40p or so?
I guess that’s ok if you are just part topping up, maybe doing 50 miles or so a day which I guess a lot of people do, or less.
I suppose you won’t get a full charge at home in 4 hours?

 

[Zep]

Isn’t it only 7.5p for 4 hours a day, the other 20 hours being 40p or so?
I guess that’s ok if you are just part topping up, maybe doing 50 miles or so a day which I guess a lot of people do, or less.
I suppose you won’t get a full charge at home in 4 hours?

I have a hybrid, so 4 hours fills mine at less than 10 amps. 4 hours at 32 amps (this is the max for a standard single phase home charger) would give 31 kWh, about half the biggest Tesla battery. So as long as you don’t do really long distances every day (something like 80% of car journeys in the UK are less than 5 miles) it’s more than enough. If, like a few people, you have solar, you charge off of that for nothing.

They have another tariff called Intelligent Octopus which gives longer periods by linking to the charger, around 6.5 hours, which would pretty much charge any current EV.

The solution doesn’t have to suit everyone to make it viable, if the use profile fits, it is much, much cheaper. If it doesn’t, don’t do it and let someone else do the heavy lifting.

 

[mjheathcote]

I guess that’s why they brought tin the new law about ev and domestic home electricity being required to be metered separately.

From when?

 

[gb-gta]

From when?

 

[Wattie]

Indeed - I noted this a few weeks back that the cost of 'fuel' only is pretty much 1/1,; now will the lower depreciation of an EV counter this against its higher purchase price?... time will tell.

For me anything above 40p/KWh is less value than putting petrol in based on today's petrol price of c£1.70 per LTR in the XC90 T8... So Tesco and Sainsbury will be used to subsidise my EV use.

Surely older EV’s will depreciate quicker than newer ones as the tech increases and range etc becomes greater……

Its not hard to foresee a scenario where no-ones interested in your old EV with its old tech as it’ll be a bit of a lemon.