Electric Cars Still Struggling.

Around 5.6 tonnes of CO2 are released during a petrol or diesel car’s manufacture on average, around three quarters of which are released during production of the steel body in white.
Building the average electric car produces 8.8 tonnes of CO2, 43 per cent of which can be attributed to the construction of the battery.
So in reality it only takes just under 6000 miles driving for the extra CO2 from the batteries to be cancelled out (based on your GT figures) or 15-20k miles for a normal car.
Which if it was a 3200 would be around 10 years, allowing for 3 years of garage time and 3 years waiting for parts between garage times, and 2 years of diagnostic testing.
Its like anything these days there is always a convenient version of the truth to support any argument.
 
I admit I am a bit lazy and so have not done my own research into the Pro’s and Cons of EV’s.

I know people who love em and I know people who have tried them out and reverted to ICE. I also see people at the petrol station who will be there for 20-40 mins and it takes me 5mins - I often do 500miles in a day and certainly don’t have time for a 40 min recharge, so they are not for me - at the moment.

I do wonder though, given all EV’s are much faster on acceleration then they need to be (even an average EV is properly quick).

Surely reducing the acceleration capability to more “normal” levels improve range ?
 
Scaf said:
I admit I am a bit lazy and so have not done my own research into the Pro’s and Cons of EV’s.
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I have not done any research either on Pros and Cons of EVs (but lots of research on the Pros and Cons of apostrophes). But I'm more driven by 'use cases' than by economics, politics or passion, so I think if I was gong to add to the fleet, I would be happy to have a little electric runabout for popping to the shops, if I had an easy-to-use charging point at home. Cheap fuel, green cred (real or not), no range anxiety, easy parking. But I'm not going to swap my one daily driver (QPV) for an EV, and MrsMM would only consider a daily driver EV if it was a Volvo convertible.

I still want a P38 Range Rover though.
 
davy83 said:
Around 5.6 tonnes of CO2 are released during a petrol or diesel car’s manufacture on average, around three quarters of which are released during production of the steel body in white.
Building the average electric car produces 8.8 tonnes of CO2, 43 per cent of which can be attributed to the construction of the battery.
So in reality it only takes just under 6000 miles driving for the extra CO2 from the batteries to be cancelled out (based on your GT figures) or 15-20k miles for a normal car.
Which if it was a 3200 would be around 10 years, allowing for 3 years of garage time and 3 years waiting for parts between garage times, and 2 years of diagnostic testing.
Its like anything these days there is always a convenient version of the truth to support any argument.
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Absolutely, if you're comparing new car to new car.
My point is, I'm saving the planet by continuing to drive my V8 petrol instead of buying a new EV. And that's what people should be encouraged to do.
 
I do wonder how many cars Tesla sold paid for with post tax income.

I'd think it's a tiny number , as a company car you'd be mad not to , or even some of the crazy EV deals , like that maxus pickup £99 a month

I even heard some got one for £40 a month
 
Like many I’m neutral on EVs in principle, but frustrated at the enormous tax breaks for EV manufacturers and drivers

One thing few EV evangelists address, is that surely the real way to reduce transport emissions is to travel less? Anyone who spends £50k-£100k on a car is surely buying it because they like it, not for the environment. If they kept their ICE car but reduced their driving by 80% they would really make a difference.

On the other side, emissions are only about CO2 and global warming. Nitrogen oxides and particulates are also a factor. Then again the plastic being used in so many new cars is finding it’s way into every part of the planet and our food chain.
 
Gooner said:
Like many I’m neutral on EVs in principle, but frustrated at the enormous tax breaks for EV manufacturers and drivers

One thing few EV evangelists address, is that surely the real way to reduce transport emissions is to travel less? Anyone who spends £50k-£100k on a car is surely buying it because they like it, not for the environment. If they kept their ICE car but reduced their driving by 80% they would really make a difference.

On the other side, emissions are only about CO2 and global warming. Nitrogen oxides and particulates are also a factor. Then again the plastic being used in so many new cars is finding it’s way into every part of the planet and our food chain.
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Cruise ships, needless shite shipped from China to be sold on Amazon, construction... it's a long list of nasties that contribute to climate fuckery.
 
Amazon...Neighbours get a delivery every other day, usually a small package or two... why don't they just shop once a month like you would if you went into town... then one delivery van rather than 15-20.

It's because it's free with Prime no doubt.
 
In our household we have 3 cars, one petrol (Fez), one diesel (Ghibli) , one elec (Merc EQA)
Petrol is my favourite for obvious reasons.
DIesel has its use (and is Euro VI so is a ULEV)
My thoughts on the electric are if certain parameters are met then they make sense.. but if you don't have the following then they do not..
  1. You get them at effectively half price
  2. You dont do more than the range every day
  3. You can charge at home
  4. You have another car for long journeys
If any of the above are not the case then I wouldnt bother (personally)

Interestingly just got back from a road trip to Italy. The UK has far more electric cars than any other country (from my obsevations), and I didnt see more than a couple of charges in any service station I visited

The solution isnt electric, its nothing at all. Thats already been said fairly widely, that the answer to the climate problem is to not have private transportation.
 
Someone with access to Wikipedia, and with a long 'to do' list that they don't want to get started on, writes:
Norway is way out in front of all other countries in electric car usage, which is a little surprising because of all their fossil fuel resources, but they are rich, green, collaborative and have cheap electricity. The other Nordic countries around the top of the list after that, and Germany also pretty high. China claims to be up there with Germany, but I doubt their data. (It also depends how you measure - includes hybrids or not, per capita, per car, per mile, etc)

en.wikipedia.org

Electric car use by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Norway - just came back from the fjords. Lots of EV’s, charge points, EV concessions and battery powered ferries - apart from the Expressboats - 32 knots - diesel - hold tight!

Plenty of hydroelectric sources - the UK is Interconnected at Blyth and consumes plenty, though when we have a surplus we send the Watts back to save Norway’s water!
 
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