Did the not see (or hear) the rather large Lamborghini coming down the road?

SimonCC

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Just re watching this - does it seem that the Lambo driver and passengers had friends comfort them post-accident? Suggesting as earlier posts did that they knew of the filming. Was it racing with the Gran Turismo that was behind it?

Interestingly only 1 guy went to see how the Mazda driver was...
 

outrun

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Mazda's fault all day long. You can't pull out into oncoming traffic when it's not safe to do so. The Lambo's speed is not the key factor, it's that the driver was presented with another car pulling out in front of him. It's pretty cynical to assume that they were racing or driving with excessive speed. If it was a boring smash between a Mondeo and the Mazda, there would be no controversy at all.
 

rossyl

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Mazda's fault all day long. You can't pull out into oncoming traffic when it's not safe to do so. The Lambo's speed is not the key factor, it's that the driver was presented with another car pulling out in front of him. It's pretty cynical to assume that they were racing or driving with excessive speed. If it was a boring smash between a Mondeo and the Mazda, there would be no controversy at all.

Agree entirely.
 

SimonCC

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Sitting on the fence and keeping a balanced view, one would be looking at the evidence on the clip ;-)

The Mazda is just edging out and no more, he is literally inching out of the side road. Seems he may have just mistimed the speed of the Lambo (doest necessarily mean it is speeding), or just he didn't see it, perhaps due to it's matt black paint. Therefore Mazda holds some responsibility.

How fast would the Lambo have to be going to be lifted up the way it did? I'm not a crash investigator expert, but I would have thought if he is travelling at a low speed he would just plough into the Mazda, rather than go semi-airborne. Plus the Lambo continued for a good few metres before stopping.

Perhaps it will end up being a knock-for-knock verdict. Probably we will never know....
 

CliveP1

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looking at the vid again the taxi driver will be the key witness to this accident, the MPV does look like his field of vision is seriously hampered with parked cars, double decker bus plus any other items blocking the view so edging out is the only way.
IMO the Lambo was upon them so quickly they had nowhere to go. wouldn't be surprised if it ends up with no action apart from insurance paying out.

My brother had his Z4 hit after a lady jumped a red light on a roundabout, there was witnesses and police called but no action taken as no one stopped so it was word for word. and police wouldn't take no further action.
 

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In the eyes of the law if the Lambo was speeding then they are nicked. Regardless of who pulled out on who. From this video they will be able to determine the speed.
 

hodroyd

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I wonder why someone was filming there at the time..?? Pulling out when you can't see what's coming..!! Going fast enough that it takes you 40 metres to stop after a collision in a Lambo..!!
 

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So the cameraman was supercar fanboy schmee famed for his carparazzi. He will know the full extent of it.
 

zagatoes30

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Regardless of the Lambo's speed the MPV is to blame. I once pulled out in front of a truck who was turning left into the road I was in only to be hit by a Land Rover who was overtaking the truck as he turned on the wrong side of the road..

Policeman's comment was that it was my fault is if I hadn't pulled out there would have been no accident, same is true here.

The Lambo was certainly speeding and he might get prosecuted but it has little bearing on whose fault - IMO
 

nfm

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OK, so using that logic, you are doing 40 in town and a kid runs out..............

Technically the Kid's fault but if you had not been speeding the Kid would have lived.

If the Lambo hadn't been acting the maggot (allegedly) then there wouldn't have been accident at all? I accept your point but think it is greyer than that, no maggot, no accident.
 

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That s the point I subscribe to too. If you take a risk by speeding when the limit is say 30mph where there is a danger that someone could jump out, pull out or stray from a lane then you must adhere and drive accordingly. If you hack down a street at twice the speed limit then you are an idiot pure and simple.

For all of those saying that the mpv Mazda pulled out what would happen if the Lambowas doing well in excess of 100mph and the MVP looked, the road was clear and then they pulled out but because of the velocity the Lamborghini hit the car? Well for me if they are doing 60mph it's the same thing. There is a time and a place for everything and at a main road and junction like the one in the vid it really isn't it.

I am surprised that thee are so many people on here who think that the Mazda is totally to blame for this. Answer this then, if the Mazda pulled out on the Lambo why didn't the Lambo have time to swerve or stop?
 

CatmanV2

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I'm far more surprised by the number of people that have experience in accurately calculating the speed of cars from youtube video. I'm sure the law enforcement agencies will be in touch to utilise that huge pool of skill in future ;) Clearly their current experts and techniques are now redundant due to crown sourcing.

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Needamaser

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Appears the Lambo brake lights are not on up to the moment of impact but then come on after he hits the parked vehicle.
 

safrane

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Actually as a Police Office (ex) I was able to judge speed in the eyes law...and that car was not driving at 30mph.
 

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I'm far more surprised by the number of people that have experience in accurately calculating the speed of cars from youtube video. I'm sure the law enforcement agencies will be in touch to utilise that huge pool of skill in future ;) Clearly their current experts and techniques are now redundant due to crown sourcing.

C

You may be surprised to hear that people have actually been prosecuted from such videos when the plod calculate the speed using simple distance/time measurements based on say lamp posts.... This case could also be treated in exactly the same way. I would put good money on the fact that the Lambo in this video was in excess of 50mph when it ploughed through.
 

CatmanV2

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No, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I'd be very impressed if you could cite a single case where a driver was prosecuted for *speeding* based *solely* on the evidence contained in a Youtube video, however

I do also know, however, that 'simple' distance time calculations taken from an unknown sourced video, from a moving camera is unlikely to be *quite* that simple.

I feel I won't be taking your bet :)

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Needamaser

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Actually as a Police Office (ex) I was able to judge speed in the eyes law...and that car was not driving at 30mph.

Other factor, which applies to both drivers, is that the speed limit is the maximum allowed but overriding that is the fact that you drive to the road conditions and be able to stop in the distance you can see.
Potentially both could be charged with driving with undue care and attention.