Cars that should do well over the next 10years

[Nayf]

I suppose if you also add parts availability the 3200 is going to struggle going forward......

It's already bad at the moment, particularly engine parts.

 

[Nayf]

How many will dissappear under the next scrappage scheme?

I'd expect the number of QP5.1s and early 4200s to reduce dramatically, but only the cars that were already on their way out.
It's more likely to clobber the millennial French hot hatches, though 172 Cups are growing in value.

 

[UlstermanAbroad]

On my last day on this earth, I guarantee you, that it'll be the wonderful women that I've known and the fantastic friends that I've had, that I focus on. The eclectic experiences I've had that make up a life less ordinary.
If I do spare a thought for objects, I'll be my first convertible at twenty that turned so many girls heads,
my last fast car at fifty, that made me feel twenty again (on the left) and the yacht I plan to live and travel
on from now until the end.

 

[Hurricane52]

On my last day on this earth, I guarantee you, that it'll be the wonderful women that I've known and the fantastic friends that I've had, that I focus on. The eclectic experiences I've had that make up a life less ordinary.
If I do spare a thought for objects, I'll be my first convertible at twenty that turned so many girls heads,
my last fast car at fifty, that made me feel twenty again (on the left) and the yacht I plan to live and travel
on from now until the end.

My mum often used to tell me that I’d meet nice people as a result of driving classic cars and on the whole, she was right.

 

[conaero]

Can’t agree with you more Matt.

Do you have any thoughts on said cars that will fare well over the next 10years (and beyond)?

I would say it’s pretty obvious. Some Maserati yes, Alfa and BMW straight and V6 then all the obvious HyperCars

oh, and the Renault 14 of course

 

[madmanmart]

Apologies warranty was the wrong phrasing, I was thinking more of the return of goods act three/six months which applies to all cars, classic or not. If you’ve a choice of selling a 996 Carrera 2 or a 3200 as a non specialist trader, at least if the Porsche sh|ts its engine you can find someone (and have a reasonable choice to shop around) and the bits to fix it, and a much stronger and wider pool to sell to. So if a customer brings his back after a month saying the engine’s borked, the Porsche is at least salvageable even if the margin is diminished. The 3200 might well sit there as an ornament, decomposing and haemorrhaging margin until you break it for spares...
I’d argue you’re more likely to see 4200s increase first as the Ferrari link is a bit more of a potent selling point and prices are starting to polarise for those.
Again, this is purely objective (I actually like driving 3200s, and this is not meant to upset owners) and what I’ve heard through non-specialist Maser dealers.

This can't be any different to a lot of classic cars sold with low production numbers. What about the bora and merak?
Yes the 3200 parts are becoming a problem but this will continue to be a problem with the 4200 and GS as time goes by (upper rear arms and rotten sub frames at the moment).
The Achilles heal of the 4200 is the CC box which doesn't have good reviews, I can see the 4200 Manuals creeping up though.

 

[Nayf]

This can't be any different to a lot of classic cars sold with low production numbers. What about the bora and merak?
Yes the 3200 parts are becoming a problem but this will continue to be a problem with the 4200 and GS as time goes by (upper rear arms and rotten sub frames at the moment).
The Achilles heal of the 4200 is the CC box which doesn't have good reviews, I can see the 4200 Manuals creeping up though.

For a long time the Merak wasn't worth a lot - remember when Top Gear saw fit to nuke one for telly laughs? That was in the early 2000s, so about 20 years after the last Merak left the factory. Around 40 years later, Meraks are worth around £60k at auction (based on the last two Historics examples https://www.historics.co.uk/search/?q=merak) They're also rarer than a 3200, so there's a bigger inherent worth and a bigger incentive to fabricate one-offs.

More spares were kept for Meraks/Boras – there are reasons why 3200/Ghibli II/QPIV parts are so scarce, some of which may already be known, but I can't go into publicly. I do agree that 3200s will go up in value – but incrementally, rather than in a spike. In another 20 years I can see 3200s where Meraks are now, but over the next 10? Hmmm....

 

[foibles]

IMHO (the H being hubristic), the best potential investment is the P1 Subaru Impreza, which is essentially the MY99 WRX STi series 5 coupe. Close to 300bhp and 0-60 well under 5 seconds, with incredible handling. A joy to drive. Here in Aus, the local equivalent sells for 3x the price on a mile for mile basis.

If I were to consider other JDM, it would then be;

* Nissan R33 GTR Vspec (Series 3 preferred, in non white) as these are immensely better value than the R34 GTR, but not far off for performance.

* Mazda RX7 Series 8 Bathurst r spec r. Not a Spirit type a or b... These are asking way more than fair value at present.

* Toyota Supra GZ twin turbo aerotop as they only made 352 RHD and many are already in the grave and

* perhaps an early 300zx TT 5spd for those with a lesser budget. But the heaviest in terms of upkeep however. Best colour would be the pearl white.

There is a decided benefit in Japanese cars versus Euro metal... And that is the effort and cost of upkeep. A Supra is a virtually bullet proof car that might absorb a few thousand in maintenance over a decade if very unlucky. My gransport will however consume a small fortune for the obligatory 1 or 2 clutch replacements, full overhaul of sticky buttons, costly servicing, electrical gremlins, magnesium wheels that buckle if a dog urinates on them, and a roof that costs as much as a supra did 10 years back should it decide to kaput itself.

Whilst clear evidence of thorough service history is required of a fezza, maser or similar, Japanese cars are just not held to that same standard. Buyers want impeccable duco and interior, but don't give a rat's toss if a Nismo odometer was fitted and the miles are somewhat iffy.

However, when you do need someone to work on these cars...good luck. My gransports cost me 140ph servicing. My Porsches...100 via an indi. But my crappy 1988 rx7 turbo....145ph. Just not enough wankelers left.

 

[rockits]

I think all Maser's across the board will still be OK but the best examples will command more than the average or bottom end examples. As others have said all the more analogue manual RWD V8/V12 stuff will be pretty sought after I think. Maybe even stuff like the MX5 & GT86 over time and after reductions in numbers. A TVR will always do OK as well I think. As will the best examples of old hot hatches.

Picking a nice 350Z for example might do OK as never spiked up silly north like many cars so a nice low miler looked after will be OK.

 

[allandwf]

Well, I have my little stable, if they go up fair play, if the drop to next to zero no worries, they were bought for various reasons. I bought the 348 as I wanted an old school gated dogleg Ferrari with no driver aids, and it was the one I always promised myself. ( I could have bought at the time 355 or a 360, but didn't want to just buy a Ferrari to tick a box. Obviously more money.) I bought back the Assetto Corsa, as so many good memories , including you lot lol.
I think it is a difficult one to judge what will appreciate in the next few years, the younger generation I have found do not want to tinker, I think a lot of us did out of necessity back in the day, and learnt to enjoy it. They will want something they can just get in and drive , maybe me but heritage and nostalgia does not seem to play as big a part for them as it did for me, maybe the whole social media thing makes it easier for them to enjoy without necessarily owning a piece of history. Personally I think the market for our sort of cars will diminish until they are virtually worthless, at which point I will buy a Bora lol.

 

[gemini]

The 3200 might well sit there as an ornament, decomposing and haemorrhaging margin until you break it for spares...

Anyway, the actual value of a running 3200 is probably less than the value of the pieces you'll be able to salvage from the same non-running 3200gt.

 

[madmanmart]

IMHO (the H being hubristic), the best potential investment is the P1 Subaru Impreza, which is essentially the MY99 WRX STi series 5 coupe. Close to 300bhp and 0-60 well under 5 seconds, with incredible handling. A joy to drive. Here in Aus, the local equivalent sells for 3x the price on a mile for mile basis.

If I were to consider other JDM, it would then be;

* Nissan R33 GTR Vspec (Series 3 preferred, in non white) as these are immensely better value than the R34 GTR, but not far off for performance.

* Mazda RX7 Series 8 Bathurst r spec r. Not a Spirit type a or b... These are asking way more than fair value at present.

* Toyota Supra GZ twin turbo aerotop as they only made 352 RHD and many are already in the grave and

* perhaps an early 300zx TT 5spd for those with a lesser budget. But the heaviest in terms of upkeep however. Best colour would be the pearl white.

There is a decided benefit in Japanese cars versus Euro metal... And that is the effort and cost of upkeep. A Supra is a virtually bullet proof car that might absorb a few thousand in maintenance over a decade if very unlucky. My gransport will however consume a small fortune for the obligatory 1 or 2 clutch replacements, full overhaul of sticky buttons, costly servicing, electrical gremlins, magnesium wheels that buckle if a dog urinates on them, and a roof that costs as much as a supra did 10 years back should it decide to kaput itself.

Whilst clear evidence of thorough service history is required of a fezza, maser or similar, Japanese cars are just not held to that same standard. Buyers want impeccable duco and interior, but don't give a rat's toss if a Nismo odometer was fitted and the miles are somewhat iffy.

However, when you do need someone to work on these cars...good luck. My gransports cost me 140ph servicing. My Porsches...100 via an indi. But my crappy 1988 rx7 turbo....145ph. Just not enough wankelers left.

Agree with this.
I have a Pearl white TT manual 300zx tucked away.
90s turbo JDM cars are flying up in price as they are now reaching 25 years old to become USA import legal.

 

[gb-gta]

I think rare exotics will always be worth good money. They do cost a lot to maintain/just keep though. Expensive and hard to find parts etc. as the cars get older.

I think popular, less complex and costly cars may treat you better financially in the long run due to lower ownership costs. Unless you get lucky with a 964 RS kind of car bought at the bottom of its value.
The Elise is a good example, as was the 350Z, plenty of parts supply. MX5’s too.

Don’t think I’ve lost much overall, if anything, on my GT S yet though. Had my 147 GTA about 8 years, it’s doubled in value but I’ve spent more than the profit over that time.

I fancy a guilia 105 though for retirement. But I fear they are out of reach already.

 

[Nayf]

Agree with this.
I have a Pearl white TT manual 300zx tucked away.
90s turbo JDM cars are flying up in price as they are now reaching 25 years old to become USA import legal.

Oh my. Mind if I get in touch about something editorial-related?

 

[Nayf]

IMHO (the H being hubristic), the best potential investment is the P1 Subaru Impreza, which is essentially the MY99 WRX STi series 5 coupe. Close to 300bhp and 0-60 well under 5 seconds, with incredible handling. A joy to drive. Here in Aus, the local equivalent sells for 3x the price on a mile for mile basis.

A good shout. Series McRae is another good example, especially with the PP bits. It's not quite as special as the P1, but those two words already make it very covetable.
I remember getting into an Impreza and being very disappointed; floppy thing, a bit like a Ford with an even worse interior. Then I spanked it and, ah, it makes sense... a truly great car.

Prefer the Evo 6 TME though

 

[Matt82]

I noted, Harry Metcalf in his latest video, said that he thought older ICE cars would become like vintage watches and horses.
I think he may be slightly wrong with that, as I worry that people’s perception of ICE cars will change, like smoking, and become socially unacceptable.
Watches and horses aren’t perceived by the young to be killing the planet!
I’m enjoying them while they last!

 

[Guy]

I noted, Harry Metcalf in his latest video, said that he thought older ICE cars would become like vintage watches and horses.
I think he may be slightly wrong with that, as I worry that people’s perception of ICE cars will change, like smoking, and become socially unacceptable.
Watches and horses aren’t perceived by the young to be killing the planet!
I’m enjoying them while they last!

have to disagree; my 14, 22 and 24 year old sons are all mad petrol heads as are many of their friends. None are the least bit woke so I am hoping the tradition will continue!

 

[Guy]

I think rare exotics will always be worth good money. They do cost a lot to maintain/just keep though. Expensive and hard to find parts etc. as the cars get older.

I think popular, less complex and costly cars may treat you better financially in the long run due to lower ownership costs. Unless you get lucky with a 964 RS kind of car bought at the bottom of its value.
The Elise is a good example, as was the 350Z, plenty of parts supply. MX5’s too.

Don’t think I’ve lost much overall, if anything, on my GT S yet though. Had my 147 GTA about 8 years, it’s doubled in value but I’ve spent more than the profit over that time.

I fancy a guilia 105 though for retirement. But I fear they are out of reach already.

me too but I fear we have missed the boat on buying them reasonably; https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1972-alfa-romeo-2000-gtv

 

[Matt82]

have to disagree; my 14, 22 and 24 year old sons are all mad petrol heads as are many of their friends. None are the least bit woke so I am hoping the tradition will continue!

Hope you’re right, but I think young ‘petrol heads’ will be a minority group, frowned upon by the rest.

 

[Contigo]

No such thing as an investment car IMO. Even if it goes up in value, very, very few will actually yield a profit when you take into account storage, maintenance / servicing, insurance etc ..... and that is without factoring in the value of money.

And given that the market is so fickle (who would ever have thought sh!tbox Escorts and Capris would command such silly prices?) there is absolutely no predicting future prices.

My advice - Buy what you like and drive it.

Don't agree but hey that's what life's about. I've bought cars and spent little on them and still made money. Hot Hatches if bought at the right time will appreciate and cost nothing to insure, maintain and tax...