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I had an S2, a manual S4 and a GTS back in the day. The mechanicals were robust but there was always an electrical fault with something. The wiring loom on the GTS even self ignited at one point. I used that as a daily for a year but grew weary replacing rear tyres every couple of months and went back to a 993, a much better sports car.
 

Nayf

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Some highlights from Amelia Island...
Super-rare Pork

More super-rare Pork

Yet more super-rare Pork

Rare Pork that's surprisingly more racey than it looks

You've guessed it

Drove one of these. Could turn your gran into a drift god.

As loved by Hakkinen and Coulthard. And Wayne Rooney...

A properly sized BMW grille

Modern supercars rarely do it for me. This though...

Very rare Italian elegance

Beautiful stuff
 

cheburator

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That is the downside. Every single one I’ve picked up for a client/photoshoot/whatever had run out of electricity

Given that I own a GTS 5-spd, a GTS 5-spd race car and a late 928 S4 5-spd and that I work on them alongside 944s and early GT3s I think I am somewhat qulified to comment...

The 928 is no more or no less complex than any car of the era loaded with options. There is a lot of stuff on the fuse board for sure, but 95% of the car is analogue. It's either on or off. A digital mulimeter and if you fancy it, a USB based osciloscope, is more than enough to diagnose/work out where the fault lies. The workshop manuals are perhaps the most detailed I have ever used - they certainly highlight how the shift from an engineering led to accountants led company happened under Wideking. And they cost £25. Diagnostic software to help with engine, ABS/PSD and tyre pressure monitoring - (yes, they did have that in 1989!) ECUs costs about £400. Must say though - they don't like sitting idle outside - the more you use them, the better they would be.

Last but not least - they are still an absolute bargain in a classic car world, where people are willing to pay £50k for rust bucket 964s or E30 M3s. I have had both - not rusty :) - and I know where my loyalties are...
 

Doctor Houx

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Manual 928s are brilliant things. The actual gearshift isn’t, in of itself, brilliant (a bit vague and floppy, though that may have been the ones I’ve sampled), but the sheer act of self-shifting turns it into an almost super car experience.
Had an S2 with a manual dog leg 5 speed In the early 90’s and agree the change was notchy and awkward at best. Suits an auto but the manuals are the collectible ones84725
 

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This 4200 is on at Anglia next weekend and I’m going as usual to pick up a cheap runabout. I have offloaded my MB CL500 luxobarge that I bought there for £2k last year, used on the salty roads, put in nothing but oil and petrol and sold it with a fresh MOT with advisories on low rear tyres for a £330 profit. That’s cheap Classic motoring and going after this Alfa spider this time as have no topless car for the summer since the GC was sold!


 

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Had an S2 with a manual dog leg 5 speed In the early 90’s and agree the change was notchy and awkward at best. Suits an auto but the manuals are the collectible onesView attachment 84725

The shift on most 928s suffers from poor adjustment and worn coupler bushes. If the workshop procedure is properly followed, then the shift is very good, considering the transaxle layout and the linkage mechanism which is more than 2mtrs long. And you are absolutely spot on - the manuals are the one to keep. You get the best of both worlds - there is so much torque from the later 32v engines, that I was able to demonstrate to a friend - shifted my GTS into 5th at 20mph and wound it up to 150 without a protest - hence there is no need to row the box. On the other hand if you want to hustle a 928 down a sweeping road, the manual box gives you the extra layer of control and participation, which can only increase driving pleasure...
 

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The shift on most 928s suffers from poor adjustment and worn coupler bushes. If the workshop procedure is properly followed, then the shift is very good, considering the transaxle layout and the linkage mechanism which is more than 2mtrs long. And you are absolutely spot on - the manuals are the one to keep. You get the best of both worlds - there is so much torque from the later 32v engines, that I was able to demonstrate to a friend - shifted my GTS into 5th at 20mph and wound it up to 150 without a protest - hence there is no need to row the box. On the other hand if you want to hustle a 928 down a sweeping road, the manual box gives you the extra layer of control and participation, which can only increase driving pleasure...

i know nothing about porsches but loving your knowledge of them :thumb3:
 

cheburator

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i know nothing about porsches but loving your knowledge of them :thumb3:

Always loved Italian cars and Maserati in particular - whispering quietly, but very few Ferraris ever did it for me... However, the practical me never allowed the "plunge" with my heart needed for a Maserati Ghibli Cup back in 2001 - hence Porsches and ///M cars ever since, and developing the knowledge/skills to run and work on them. Hopefully will be in a Grand Turismo S MC-Shift soon enough...

Btw, love the Group B cars in your sig - my dad used to rally some back in the 1980s - different makes though...
 

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Given that I own a GTS 5-spd, a GTS 5-spd race car and a late 928 S4 5-spd and that I work on them alongside 944s and early GT3s I think I am somewhat qulified to comment...

The 928 is no more or no less complex than any car of the era loaded with options. There is a lot of stuff on the fuse board for sure, but 95% of the car is analogue. It's either on or off. A digital mulimeter and if you fancy it, a USB based osciloscope, is more than enough to diagnose/work out where the fault lies. The workshop manuals are perhaps the most detailed I have ever used - they certainly highlight how the shift from an engineering led to accountants led company happened under Wideking. And they cost £25. Diagnostic software to help with engine, ABS/PSD and tyre pressure monitoring - (yes, they did have that in 1989!) ECUs costs about £400. Must say though - they don't like sitting idle outside - the more you use them, the better they would be.

Last but not least - they are still an absolute bargain in a classic car world, where people are willing to pay £50k for rust bucket 964s or E30 M3s. I have had both - not rusty :) - and I know where my loyalties are...
Totally agree with you about the sitting around. Some dealers and owners tend to think that because they're German, they're happy to sit there and are ready to start on the button. Which of course, they aren't... similar story with R129 SLs, blowing the seat fuses when jump started in the wrong way. Expensively.

A 928 GTS five-speed you say... would you like Strada to do a feature on it? ;)
 

cheburator

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Totally agree with you about the sitting around. Some dealers and owners tend to think that because they're German, they're happy to sit there and are ready to start on the button. Which of course, they aren't... similar story with R129 SLs, blowing the seat fuses when jump started in the wrong way. Expensively.

A 928 GTS five-speed you say... would you like Strada to do a feature on it? ;)

It was originally the UK press car - THE928S - and I am the 3d owner after Porsche GB and A Nother... It is just being finished - a nut and bolt restoration, with the underside back to bare metal and everything else blasted, replated/painted and put back together, freshly rebuild engine, suspension, calipers, new carpets, interior etc. The car is driveable and presents superbly on the outside, but believe it or not - the speaker grilles on the doors/rear quarters have cracked with age and have been a massive problem through the restoration process. They are NLA from Porsche and it took ages to figure a solution. The car is booked with a 928 electrical specialist for the middle of this month who has found a way to restore them and will re-fit the OEM Blaupunkt Symphony that I had rebuild by another specialist. Once that's done, I would be delighted to see it back in a magazine, following its first appearance back in 1993... In the meantime, I need to subscribe to Strada - heard only great things. Would I get the issues from N1 or will it start with the current one?
 

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This 4200 is on at Anglia next weekend and I’m going as usual to pick up a cheap runabout. I have offloaded my MB CL500 luxobarge that I bought there for £2k last year, used on the salty roads, put in nothing but oil and petrol and sold it with a fresh MOT with advisories on low rear tyres for a £330 profit. That’s cheap Classic motoring and going after this Alfa spider this time as have no topless car for the summer since the GC was sold!


These little spiders are very underated, they are great fun, if you want to try one before committing you are welcome to try mine. No I am not going to try to sell I to you I intend to keep it for a while yet.
 

Doctor Houx

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These little spiders are very underated, they are great fun, if you want to try one before committing you are welcome to try mine. No I am not going to try to sell I to you I intend to keep it for a while yet.
Thanks for the offer. I never spend big bucks at this auction and plan to only spend a couple of grand, so will take a chance. I had the later Brera spider as a runaround a few years ago and agree they are fun, cheap and underrated
 

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It was originally the UK press car - THE928S - and I am the 3d owner after Porsche GB and A Nother... It is just being finished - a nut and bolt restoration, with the underside back to bare metal and everything else blasted, replated/painted and put back together, freshly rebuild engine, suspension, calipers, new carpets, interior etc. The car is driveable and presents superbly on the outside, but believe it or not - the speaker grilles on the doors/rear quarters have cracked with age and have been a massive problem through the restoration process. They are NLA from Porsche and it took ages to figure a solution. The car is booked with a 928 electrical specialist for the middle of this month who has found a way to restore them and will re-fit the OEM Blaupunkt Symphony that I had rebuild by another specialist. Once that's done, I would be delighted to see it back in a magazine, following its first appearance back in 1993... In the meantime, I need to subscribe to Strada - heard only great things. Would I get the issues from N1 or will it start with the current one?
Hi Strada is still available from the website ;)
That sounds like the perfect car for us. Might see if I can track down some of the Porsche staffers at the time.
It might even be the same car a former colleague had use of when he worked at new car magazine back in the day. He has fond memories, and 'still have the erection'...
One memory was using it to go to a funeral, and its V8 burble upsetting the mourners from across the car park.

The S4 - is that an S4 SE? I've driven most versions of the 928 in various forms from the mid 80s onwards, yet this one has eluded me. I know that it's mechanically different to a GT and GTS, but I wonder just how tangibly different to drive they are, handling-wise? From my brief scan of my memory, didn't the SE rev higher too?*

* the downside of this job is that the deep research I did years back for the GTS MC feature has started wear off, but only in bits.
 

cheburator

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Hi Strada is still available from the website ;)
That sounds like the perfect car for us. Might see if I can track down some of the Porsche staffers at the time.
It might even be the same car a former colleague had use of when he worked at new car magazine back in the day. He has fond memories, and 'still have the erection'...
One memory was using it to go to a funeral, and its V8 burble upsetting the mourners from across the car park.

The S4 - is that an S4 SE? I've driven most versions of the 928 in various forms from the mid 80s onwards, yet this one has eluded me. I know that it's mechanically different to a GT and GTS, but I wonder just how tangibly different to drive they are, handling-wise? From my brief scan of my memory, didn't the SE rev higher too?*

* the downside of this job is that the deep research I did years back for the GTS MC feature has started wear off, but only in bits.

My car's Bio - brilliant!

The 928 S4 isn't an SE - but it's a very strange beast none-the-less. It was ordered in 1989 Model Year when the owner was told about the upcoming GT (also introduced in 1989) - the buyer wanted to order a GT but was then told he would have to wait for his allocation - even then Porsche was up to its usual tricks :) . He didn't want to wait, hence he specced the S4 Manual with Sports seats, Sports suspension, LSD and wider rear track. It's about to go for paint following another nut and bolt restoration.

The SE is not mechanically different from the GT. Look at it as the father of the GT - the latter uses the same engine, shorter final drive and lighter aircon/alternator. The SE engines were blueprinted and they generally run better tollerances, but we really are splitting hairs here. The CS/SE/GT do rev higher than S4/GTS and feel a bit more agile due to the recalibrated Boge sports/stiffer springs, but an S2 will feel even tighter and lighter on its feet if it was fitted the optional B6 Bilstein/Sports springs. I

Apologies for the thread derailment....

BCA have some interesting Maseratis going through this week. 2010 GranTurismo S Auto looks amazing value, but it's Auto :( , while the 2012 MC-Shift is too high miles for my comfort. Wonder what the HR Owen car would make - a 2014 MC-Auto Shift with reasonable miles/owners but with lots of work to do bodywise....
 

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Some personal highlights from Historics May Sale

I do love a W140. Mainly for the story behind its construction – and what happened afterwards. Truly an exquisite place to do any journey of length, even after all these years. I also love the styling (there's a story behind that too); the whole car is a giant middle finger to everyone, almost. I love it for that.

Though this is the true hero of the breed...

Five takes on Italian elegance

Two takes on a beautiful way to end up poor and divorced

My favourite type of car – 90s GTs. The Maser's lack of three pedals would push me in the Porsche's direction on this occasion...

And this is just lovely
Ooh thanks for reminding me. Shame that 130. coupe has leather as the last one at auction had a wild coloured velour which I loved.
 

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928's are ok if the nikasill coated ali cylinder bores are still ok, otherwise Its a bin job!
Years ago I had 928 block resleeved and used standard cosworth pistons, It worked fine. if fact the cars still running perfectly 25 years later! ;)

Dave
 

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It was originally the UK press car - THE928S - and I am the 3d owner after Porsche GB and A Nother... It is just being finished - a nut and bolt restoration, with the underside back to bare metal and everything else blasted, replated/painted and put back together, freshly rebuild engine, suspension, calipers, new carpets, interior etc. The car is driveable and presents superbly on the outside, but believe it or not - the speaker grilles on the doors/rear quarters have cracked with age and have been a massive problem through the restoration process. They are NLA from Porsche and it took ages to figure a solution. The car is booked with a 928 electrical specialist for the middle of this month who has found a way to restore them and will re-fit the OEM Blaupunkt Symphony that I had rebuild by another specialist. Once that's done, I would be delighted to see it back in a magazine, following its first appearance back in 1993... In the meantime, I need to subscribe to Strada - heard only great things. Would I get the issues from N1 or will it start with the current one?

Small world. I owned a 1994 928 GTS auto that was the press car and also originally wore the plate THE928S. I know who has it now actually, it’s still in Scotland. It’s a black car with light grey leather. Bought after I has 2 s4s and something of a Porsche addiction. Sold it to buy a 993 turbo.