Brexit Deal

[JJbing]

I'm going to phrase this as carefully as I can, as I am absolutely, genuinely curious.
When I hear of this kind of thing:
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-13...SoTc8mzE4xfQe3X1ODPYMKi_Ss2k8Vff8cGX5g2KZw4LY

Or I'm on Facebook it seems far far more frequent that those who support the left (or remain if I may make that broad alignment) seem far faster to invoke invective and abuse than those that support the right (or exit, similar caveat)

So can someone give me the counter argument (given that I undoubtedly live in some type of echo bubble of my own creation)

Some examples of supporters of the right making aggressive comments about the left?

Cheers

C

I think this clarifies you’re right. Silent majority who don’t need to shout about everything wins.

Also, when labour MP’s such as Laura Pidcock (Lost her Durham seat last night), say they could never speak or socialise with a Tory as they make her feel sick, it’s no surprise.

 

[Wattie]

Given that the

Well, only echo the sentiments over the past day, lets move on, make a success of it then the other issues that our fine nation can get the input they require.

To add a new direction for this thread, who next in Europe is off?....it will happen. Ok, they will monitor the pitfalls the UK found and suppose they will sit back and watch before they take the plunge.

I'm going for Holland, there has been creaking coming from over there for a while. I dont think it will be Germany just yet but they will start talking about it as I know a large proportion of their population are as p!ssed off at the UK is.

Well I put the Eu and the Euro hand in hand so for my money.
Italy....

 

[CatmanV2]

. There’s not been a true left wing government for 40 years so there’s not really been much reason for the right to direct vitriol at the left.

But even before the most recent election, the left seemed to be abusing the right far more than the other way around.

I think this clarifies you’re right. Silent majority who don’t need to shout about everything wins.

Cheers. In honesty I'm looking for someone to prove me wrong.... This is how a theory is tested

C

 

[Wattie]

I don't like to say "I told you so", but...…..

Now BJ has a massive majority and the other EU states have seen the UK result, I think the next year or two will be very interesting. Is it time for the Brussels crowd to start cr@pping themselves?

PH

its not all plain sailing. Scotland is now a huge problem that will not go away.
In the same way as it has taken two votes to register that leaving the EU is the direction Westminster will follow, you have to recognise that Scotland has now voted SNP twice, massively- which signals a 'remain' bias. and independence from such a position.
Boris would be wise not to ignore this situation.

 

[JJbing]

I know, but a poll conducted by YouGov is pretty much proving your theory.

 

[Oneball]

But even before the most recent election, the left seemed to be abusing the right far more than the other way around.
C

That’s what I was getting at, the left has been outside of government for 40 years, so we’ve had 40 years of the losers (left) abusing the winners (right)

 

[CatmanV2]

I know, but a poll conducted by YouGov is pretty much proving your theory.

It does appear so, thanks

C

 

[BennyD]

its not all plain sailing. Scotland is now a huge problem that will not go away.
In the same way as it has taken two votes to register that leaving the EU is the direction Westminster will follow, you have to recognise that Scotland has now voted SNP twice, massively- which signals a 'remain' bias. and independence from such a position.
Boris would be wise not to ignore this situation.

In my opinion, Scotland won’t leave. It’ll be pointed out that if they did what would they do? Where would they go? They will lose out on any Westminster largesse and they’ve already been told they won’t be allowed into the EU as, without the rest of the UK, they don’t meet the entry requirements. Also, what would they do with currency? Would they be allowed to keep Sterling? The value of any Scottish currency will be valued by itself based on the strength of its non-existent economy. Inflation would increase, slowly at first then accelerate away. Hyper inflation is only a matter of time. It would get expensive for England as well; it won’t be cheap rebuilding Hadrian‘s wall to stop the f*ckers flooding south.

 

[Phil H]

its not all plain sailing. Scotland is now a huge problem that will not go away.
In the same way as it has taken two votes to register that leaving the EU is the direction Westminster will follow, you have to recognise that Scotland has now voted SNP twice, massively- which signals a 'remain' bias. and independence from such a position.
Boris would be wise not to ignore this situation.

Oh I dunno. Some geezer called Hadrian had the measure of them when he built a wall to keep them in/out depending on your point of view. If Mr Trump can fence off Mexico I'm sure BJ could do likewise, failing which you just cut along the dotted line and let them drift off into the sunset, without Westminster funding of course.

On a more serious note, Ms Sturgeon can stamp her foot all she likes, and although she might think she can force another independence referendum I don't think there is a legal mechanism by which she can. But what if she did, and what if she won? Well, the UK is leaving the EU and she wants to stay, but as an independent nation Scotland would have to jump through a series of hoops, not to remain in the EU but to join it, and according to the pundits that would give her some serious headaches - not the least of which are financial ones.

I don't think the PM needs to worry about Ms Sturgeon for a while, he just needs to concentrate on Brexit and consolidate his position, and she can stay on the back burner for as long as it suits him.

The big question now is how long Mr Corbyn can last and who will replace him. Starmer? Thornberry? Or might the party recruit the PM-in-waiting, Swinson?

PH

 

[Phil H]

Benny, are you reading all of my thoughts?

PH

 

[iainw]

In my opinion, Scotland won’t leave. It’ll be pointed out that if they did what would they do? Where would they go? They will lose out on any Westminster largesse and they’ve already been told they won’t be allowed into the EU as, without the rest of the UK, they don’t meet the entry requirements. Also, what would they do with currency? Would they be allowed to keep Sterling? The value of any Scottish currency will be valued by itself based on the strength of its non-existent economy. Inflation would increase, slowly at first then accelerate away. Hyper inflation is only a matter of time. It would get expensive for England as well; it won’t be cheap rebuilding Hadrian‘s wall to stop the f*ckers flooding south.

Let them go. Let’s see how long their shortbread and natural gas stores last in a carbon neutral world. It may be just me- but I have never heard sturgeon talk about Anything other than Scottish independence. Does she have any reason to think they would be economically better off on their own?

 

[JJbing]

The SNP situation I think will play out as follows;

The UK leaves the EU, inc Scotland
BJ offers 2nd referendum to Scotland for independance, not guaranteed to rejoin EU and what currency?
I think once they know they wouldn't rejoin the EU and have left, they'd cling to us and the problem sort of resolves itself.

I'm pretty sure Scotland doesn't meet the requirements to join the EU as an independant country, and they wouldn't want to add another burden into the struggling bloc.

 

[rockits]

Swinson....PM in waiting....did I read that right? I know my eyes are getting worse but didn't think they were getting that bad.

 

[Wattie]

............ It would get expensive for England as well; it won’t be cheap rebuilding Hadrian‘s wall to stop the f*ckers flooding south.

Something like this Benny...and you’re right, England will have to pay for it cos Italy can’t afford it.

 

[MrMickS]

Always love to hear all of us English telling Scotland what will happen.

We don’t learn Scottish/English history down here so we?

 

[Wattie]

The SNP situation I think will play out as follows;

The UK leaves the EU, inc Scotland
BJ offers 2nd referendum to Scotland for independance, not guaranteed to rejoin EU and what currency?
I think once they know they wouldn't rejoin the EU and have left, they'd cling to us and the problem sort of resolves itself.

I'm pretty sure Scotland doesn't meet the requirements to join the EU as an independant country, and they wouldn't want to add another burden into the struggling bloc.

I think this and what's been said above is a fair assessment.
The correct thing to do is to offer the vote -as Scotland doesn't have many options. The situation on leaving would be clear for all to see and it would be rejected.
Simply ignoring the Sturgeon call would be a bad move.

 

[Wattie]

Europe readies itself. Remember it has absolutely no incentive to offer us fair terms .....that would encourage others.

EU warns of post-Brexit rival Britain after Johnson win

European leaders warned Friday that Britain could become a formidable rival, just hours after a big victory by Prime Minister Boris Johnson's conservatives all but sealed the UK's Brexit divorce.

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[Wattie]

Gotta laugh

https://imgur.com/a/bt65LTZ

 

[Wack61]

Because politicians continually promise to do things at totally unrealistic costs.

Part of this is they get lied to by the companies building large scale projects
If they gave them the true end of project cost it'd never get started so they lie , once they're £2Bn in it's too late to pull out so they keep pumping money in until it's built
Channel tunnel, crossrail , high speed rail, nuclear power stations etc etc

Or is it just us they're lying to

 

[Wack61]

I'm surprised this thread is so dead after the election , the conservatives now have one chance to get Brexit right or come the next election they'll be as dead as labour were in this one .

No coalition to throw a spanner in the works now so it's all down to Boris who was supposed to have been a Brexiteer from day one so we'll see if it was all bluster.