Brexit Deal
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outrun
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hahahaha
I can't believe anyone left in the UK would expect this raft of politicians to follow anything they have "pledged" in their manifestos. So long as they manage to push aside the new EU offshore holdings transparency laws, the rest won't matter to them.
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Well, only echo the sentiments over the past day, lets move on, make a success of it then the other issues that our fine nation can get the input they require.
To add a new direction for this thread, who next in Europe is off?....it will happen. Ok, they will monitor the pitfalls the UK found and suppose they will sit back and watch before they take the plunge.
I'm going for Holland, there has been creaking coming from over there for a while. I dont think it will be Germany just yet but they will start talking about it as I know a large proportion of their population are as p!ssed off at the UK is.
To add a new direction for this thread, who next in Europe is off?....it will happen. Ok, they will monitor the pitfalls the UK found and suppose they will sit back and watch before they take the plunge.
I'm going for Holland, there has been creaking coming from over there for a while. I dont think it will be Germany just yet but they will start talking about it as I know a large proportion of their population are as p!ssed off at the UK is.
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Good call
I will go for Hungary. They have put barbed wire up all round their border. Not a good sign of intentions
I will go for Hungary. They have put barbed wire up all round their border. Not a good sign of intentions
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This post was really funny until it has been edited
GeoffCapes
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The Tory's campaign slogan was "get Brexit done".
The didn't say which Brexit. But surely they have to get the best they can?
At the moment, the have a great opportunity to get a better deal than what is on offer.
The have just won a landslide election, have the country on their side.
If this was a football match the manager now would be saying "put it up 'em!".
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Probably about 200 pages ago I mentioned that the Dutch would be the next to go.
They would still be my favourite to leave. The Dutch don't like being told what to do by the Germans.......
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Who does?
Rwc13
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I really don’t think the withdrawal agreement is so important now. In terms of what will be good for the UK in the ongoing relationship with the EU, it’s all about the coming trade negotiation. And in that Boris’s hand has been massively strengthened with this majority and and the immediate trade deal foreplay started by the US. There may be some things in the Withdrawal Agreement that could be better, but some of those are open to further improvement in the trade negotiations. So why would Boris risk outrage from the EU and the British public by trying to reopen it again. He’s smarter than that
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I don't like to say "I told you so", but...…..
Now BJ has a massive majority and the other EU states have seen the UK result, I think the next year or two will be very interesting. Is it time for the Brussels crowd to start cr@pping themselves?
PH
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Pinning all their hopes on Agent *** getting in shows just how deluded the EU really are. I just hope BJ starts playing hard ball now whilst threatening them with a Hard Brexit. Happy days.
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I voted for the first time in many many years. Like many I voted Tory in a bid to get Brexit done. I didn't vote Tory specifically for the current deal that is ready to go.
If Boris can negotiate a better deal then great. Why wouldn't you try to get the best deal you can now we have a little more leverage?
If the EU had offered a better deal in the first place it would be done by now. They didn't and played hard ball so could now pay the price for this. **** right too as they played their part in causing 3 odd years of cr4p and stagnation.
I don't think any politicians are credible any more so it matters very little who the heck runs the country it seems.
The Tories gambled on the core policy of getting Brexit done in some fashion with a deal and quickly. They were proved right. It was almost as if Labour had decided that they had to do something different or the opposite to the opposition. I don't get this thinking.or lack of it.
If I felt the best plan was to do the same as the opposition and agree then I would. Why would you do the opposite just because you feel you have to oppose as the opposition?
Would have been interesting if Labour had decided to push as hard with Brexit as the Tories decided to. If JC had got in we would have d1cked around for another 3 years!
Sometimes it is better to get it done even if it isn't the best deal and move on/progress. I think we have done more damage to the country in 3 years in lack of progress due to Brexit than if it had been done ahead ago.
Maybe the other JC should become a politician as surely he can do no worse than JC No.1 although I'm guessing he would be a staunch Tory supporter. Can't see him being Labour, Lib Dem or Green in reality!
If Boris can negotiate a better deal then great. Why wouldn't you try to get the best deal you can now we have a little more leverage?
If the EU had offered a better deal in the first place it would be done by now. They didn't and played hard ball so could now pay the price for this. **** right too as they played their part in causing 3 odd years of cr4p and stagnation.
I don't think any politicians are credible any more so it matters very little who the heck runs the country it seems.
The Tories gambled on the core policy of getting Brexit done in some fashion with a deal and quickly. They were proved right. It was almost as if Labour had decided that they had to do something different or the opposite to the opposition. I don't get this thinking.or lack of it.
If I felt the best plan was to do the same as the opposition and agree then I would. Why would you do the opposite just because you feel you have to oppose as the opposition?
Would have been interesting if Labour had decided to push as hard with Brexit as the Tories decided to. If JC had got in we would have d1cked around for another 3 years!
Sometimes it is better to get it done even if it isn't the best deal and move on/progress. I think we have done more damage to the country in 3 years in lack of progress due to Brexit than if it had been done ahead ago.
Maybe the other JC should become a politician as surely he can do no worse than JC No.1 although I'm guessing he would be a staunch Tory supporter. Can't see him being Labour, Lib Dem or Green in reality!
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I will now make Ireland my home, I value my EU FoM too highly, although I'm not happy, I think the UK is now in danger of being USA-Trump 2.0 and the NK of Western Europe. it's forced me to make a decision at least.....
Better sort the VRT exemption, pay the huge motor tax and insurance, probably save cos the Tories only decent track record so far is stripping people of money, directly and indirectly.
Get ready for £200 to see the Doc!
Better sort the VRT exemption, pay the huge motor tax and insurance, probably save cos the Tories only decent track record so far is stripping people of money, directly and indirectly.
Get ready for £200 to see the Doc!
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Make Britain Great, Get Brexit Done - hahahahahahaha - wtf is all that about now Winston Churchill's been right royally pi$$ed on. I'm off to Europe for a 12 month+ tour so I'll really enjoy watching from the inside while England and Wales implode - where's mi popcorn.. Oh and thanks UK for voting for a majority government so I get more Euros to waste away
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I'm going to phrase this as carefully as I can, as I am absolutely, genuinely curious.
When I hear of this kind of thing:
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-13...SoTc8mzE4xfQe3X1ODPYMKi_Ss2k8Vff8cGX5g2KZw4LY
Or I'm on Facebook it seems far far more frequent that those who support the left (or remain if I may make that broad alignment) seem far faster to invoke invective and abuse than those that support the right (or exit, similar caveat)
So can someone give me the counter argument (given that I undoubtedly live in some type of echo bubble of my own creation)
Some examples of supporters of the right making aggressive comments about the left?
Cheers
C
When I hear of this kind of thing:
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-13...SoTc8mzE4xfQe3X1ODPYMKi_Ss2k8Vff8cGX5g2KZw4LY
Or I'm on Facebook it seems far far more frequent that those who support the left (or remain if I may make that broad alignment) seem far faster to invoke invective and abuse than those that support the right (or exit, similar caveat)
So can someone give me the counter argument (given that I undoubtedly live in some type of echo bubble of my own creation)
Some examples of supporters of the right making aggressive comments about the left?
Cheers
C
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I think that the last few years have been very strange as the leave/remain has been a 48:53 split across every social/political/economic group so the usual asumptions don’t apply.
I’m a liberal (with a small L) and have in the past voted Conservative, for as long as I’ve been conscious of it the Tory’s (right) have always been abused by the left for being the uncaring, evil party who’s sole purpose is to exploit the poor working class. So I don’t think anything has changed, it’s the usual state of affairs.
In my lifetime we’ve either had a selection of unelectable left wing Labour leaders, ones who are Thatcherites and one who died early. There’s not been a true left wing government for 40 years so there’s not really been much reason for the right to direct vitriol at the left.