Brexit Deal

Wattie

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Hard line leavers may have no choice now but to vote one way. Most sensible folk will do what everyone else does, and look at the whole range of policies, and make a judged decision based on their own priorities, like always vote for the best political compromise. I'd hope that some leavers are saavy enough to realise that this isn't the time for a protest vote, especially when it aligns you with a facist who leads a party that won't even publish a manifesto, and has openly, among other things admitted to wanting to privatise the NHS / introduce an insurance based health care system, shame women feeding their babies, profit from the resulting collapsed housing market, cut pay funding to support to our countries future - those who have just had a child.

You ALWAYS have a choice on which way to vote, it's just that the choice is rarely (never?) exactly what you want.

On the pocket lining, I say wants nothing other than to line his own pocket. Plenty in the HOP are in it for the same reason, but at least some, if not most of them are also in it for other reasons.
Too many insults too mention here-
1. Hard line leavers may have no choice now but to vote one way. Most sensible folk will do what everyone else does, and look at the whole range of policies, and make a judged decision based on their own priorities,
So we’re not sensible,
2 I’d hope that some leavers are saavy enough to realise that this isn't the time for a protest vote, especially when it aligns you with a facist who leads a party that won't even publish a manifesto,
What like Labour then? Oh and why would we trust manifestos that were all ignored before?
3 You ALWAYS have a choice on which way to vote, it's just that the choice is rarely (never?) exactly what you want.
Exactly so suck it up cos the majority voted to leave.....which isn’t what you wanted Corranga
Here’s a link cos you’re out your depth
Honestly what a fecking insult.... a majority being considered as hard line for a vote they’ve legitimately won.
 
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2b1ask1

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Apparently I’m a facist now, oh well, I’d better go and ask my rainbow family if that is acceptable?

but it is ok as from here on the Liberal Democrat’s are not going to be democratic according to their leader so we will need a dictator to run the effin country anyway!
 

Rwc13

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11 judges Unanimously came to that decision.:D:lol2::lol::lol2:........ if you’re not happy with your own country’s judges and ruling at the highest level, then why not take it up with the European Court of Justice .... Oh but wait hang on, can’t do that as we can’t have them ruling us and telling us what to do ....So what you’re telling me is that the government didn’t have a case and couldn’t argue strong enough and didn’t have any proof and no single Tory would actually sign up and put their name to the document for the reason to prorogue parliament. Could it be they were afraid to be liable for it...ie. that it was an unlawful act.:D
Oh deary me, have you ever taken a case to the ECJ? I have. And they too are purely giving an opinion on difficult areas of law and are subject to the same influence and bias as any court. The problem with the ECJ is EU member states have to follow its decisions even when they are stupid or wrong - of course just in my opinion and subject to my personal bias
 

Rwc13

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11 judges Unanimously came to that decision.:D:lol2::lol::lol2:........ if you’re not happy with your own country’s judges and ruling at the highest level, then why not take it up with the European Court of Justice .... Oh but wait hang on, can’t do that as we can’t have them ruling us and telling us what to do ....So what you’re telling me is that the government didn’t have a case and couldn’t argue strong enough and didn’t have any proof and no single Tory would actually sign up and put their name to the document for the reason to prorogue parliament. Could it be they were afraid to be liable for it...ie. that it was an unlawful act.:D
Oh deary me, have you ever taken a case to the ECJ? I have. And they too are purely giving an opinion on difficult areas of law and are subject to the same influence and bias as any court. The problem with the ECJ is EU member states have to follow its decisions even when they are stupid or wrong - of course just in my opinion and subject to my personal bias
 

MaserCoupe

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Oh deary me, have you ever taken a case to the ECJ? I have. And they too are purely giving an opinion on difficult areas of law and are subject to the same influence and bias as any court. The problem with the ECJ is EU member states have to follow its decisions even when they are stupid or wrong - of course just in my opinion and subject to my personal bias

I’m guessing the decision went in your favour then...Can you tell us which law and laws and stupid or wrong laws you are most looking forward to not having to Abide by now?:D
 
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MaserCoupe

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Too many insults too mention here-
1. Hard line leavers may have no choice now but to vote one way. Most sensible folk will do what everyone else does, and look at the whole range of policies, and make a judged decision based on their own priorities,
So we’re not sensible,
2 I’d hope that some leavers are saavy enough to realise that this isn't the time for a protest vote, especially when it aligns you with a facist who leads a party that won't even publish a manifesto,
What like Labour then? Oh and why would we trust manifestos that were all ignored before?
3 You ALWAYS have a choice on which way to vote, it's just that the choice is rarely (never?) exactly what you want.
Exactly so suck it up cos the majority voted to leave.....which isn’t what you wanted Corranga
Here’s a link cos you’re out your depth
Honestly what a fecking insult.... a majority being considered as hard line for a vote they’ve legitimately won.
Mate what has an American general store that has stopped selling guns and ammunition for a while now got to do with Brexit deal? I know we’re a motoring forum here so yes very appropriate to mention Kmart in the sponsorship context of Nigel Mansell and in the Indy car series and the Andretti family et cetera, but I’m struggling to see the connection........:confused:. Is the connection this? That Maserati was the only Italian car company to have won the IndyCar 500, is that why this is on here? :)
 

GeoffCapes

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Just had a very interesting conversation with a guy we do some work for who voted leave based on everything he read from the leave campaign.

I then asked him, whether he could name me a single thing in which the country as a whole benefits from leaving, based upon the fact that we know the £350m etc was a lie, and not just blue passports or more fishing grounds for the fisherman, one thing as a whole country.

He had a think and said, "I can't think of a thing, but putting it like that, everything that Brexit stands for, helps certain groups, but not the country as a whole".
I then asked him about what benefits there are as a country for staying in his answers were the obvious "ease of travel, trade agreements, investment subsidies, etc etc etc".

He then made a very valid point. He said (I paraphrase) "doesn't matter if we leave or not now, if we stay, no one will invest in the UK, because we could decide in 12 months time that we might want to leave again, if we leave, no one will invest because we have to re-negotiate everything, either way we're fcked! Brexit was a pipe dream to start with and now it's just a fcking joke, in or out, either way it's done irreparable damage to the country and economy"

Think he's pretty much nailed it!
 

Wanderer

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I was mulling over the Irish question again, probably not a valid point but...

If Brexit comes off with the Belfast Agreement intact, that means a sub-set of UK nationals will get the option to be EU citizens or not (as NI Nationals can choose to be British, Irish, or both) and so disenfranchises are huge number of people. Makes no real difference in practise, see the CTA but legally I wonder if some -ism is being trodden on.

And those NI citizens who chose to identify as Irish only, how will they be treated? Presumably as before, so again makes no real difference in practise but interestingly they won't have to jump through hoops to become British too, they can just 'decide' (not sure of actual process here) which is to the detriment of other UK citizens, who can't chose to be European. Sure some hot shot lawyer could have fun with this.
 

Wanderer

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I wasn't aware he was tried and found guilty of treason?

(Sorry, I'm not defending him or disagreeing with the Supreme Court, but I'm certainly not supporting BS memes)

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Doesn't Treason cover a few oddball things? Like disputing the Monarch's lineage or something? I think another was raising a non-UK standard on His/Her Majesty's ships at Chatham shipyard?
 

philw696

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I thought telling lies to the Monarch was Treason.
Trying to find truths in this whole mess is exhausting.
I apologise again if I'm causing any offence.
I'm the classroom joker from a 70's Secondary Education so I blame it on the Politicians.
 

breezer

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He didn’t lie to the monarch. He didn’t give a reason to prorogue parliament, nor was he required to. He just tells her what to sign and she signs.
 

CatmanV2

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I thought telling lies to the Monarch was Treason.
Trying to find truths in this whole mess is exhausting.
I apologise again if I'm causing any offence.
I'm the classroom joker from a 70's Secondary Education so I blame it on the Politicians.

No offence from me mate. :)

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