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Lenin and Stalin said similar things...
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Wanderer
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Times have changed, if you read Lenin, it still stacks up, Stalin, obvs not, hence why in most Russian cities in the Lenin Statues and Leninskiye Prospektiy still exist while the Stalin one's have gone.Lenin and Stalin said similar things...
There's a place for modern socialism, like the Scandi countries, they do very well, very very well, but this BoJo Tory stripping of human dignity from the disadvantaged has had it's day, time for this dragon to be slain.
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Well, he's doing his best not get them!
Seriously though, do you really think Corbyn is evil, plotting something nasty, or is he a genuine human being who wants to help people at the bottom of the barrel? Of course he's not evil, he's made huge mistakes, we've all seen that, but we all have, but as of now, is he really this ogre? I think not, he's 70, what can he get out of it, he's middle class, but most of all for me, he's stuck to his principles, never wavered, even though some are dodgy, you have to respect him for that, when you see the rest dithering and changing according to what's electable.
I respect the man.
Having said that he's not a politician, he's done it all wrong. His social policies are admirable, you have to agree, but he's a brexiter and only now has slightly bend to remain. Either respect to sticking to his core beliefs, or disdain for bending to Labour Part pressure.
I'm in Ireland now, where no one gives a shhit, and I find this all over EU, most not bothered, UK big fuss cos we are special, had an Empire don't you know......
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This is the most boring thread ever on a forum. Not only does it have no place on a car forum, it's a pointless discussion. Nobody knows what's going to happen next, least of all the politicians.
Let's get back to v8s and the stupidly low quality of Italian electronics.
Let's get back to v8s and the stupidly low quality of Italian electronics.
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I disagree and from the amount of traffic it gets so i suspect do others. No-ones forcing anyone to read it.
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Yes, agreed. I've given up reading the depressing streams of biased invective and diatribe. I'm only here now because I need a dump and this thread is an excellent laxative.
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I think the new word for the greater British public to learn after the no-deal is INCOTERMS.
BBC News - Lidl lines up suppliers to cover no-deal costs
BBC News - Lidl lines up suppliers to cover no-deal costs
Lidl lines up suppliers to cover no-deal costs
The supermarket's Irish business reminds British suppliers they are expected to pay EU import tariffs.
www.bbc.co.uk
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My email to Sarah Wollaston
Dear Dr Sarah Wollaston,
Apologies for my last, I was writing it on my phone whilst on watch at sea and clumsy fingers on a little keypad sent it prematurely. I hope you have time to read this in full.
I was surprised at the content your latest email last night. Now the shock has worn off I am somewhat bemused.
I voted for you in the last general election, on the understanding that although you personally voted against Brexit you would honour the will of the majority as you said you would. As you know, 54% of your constituents who voted in the referendum voted for Brexit. Not one kind of Brexit or another, just Brexit. Nothing more nothing less.
In my life experience nothing really worth having has come without some effort self sacrifice and pain. I can't help likening the Brexit process to my cancer treatment 5 years ago. Like the British nation, I thought I was pretty healthy going into diagnosis and treatment. That 6 month process of getting rid of the cancer was long, painful and seemed interminable. In the end I am cured and life is good, even though I am having to work into my seventies, having used up my meagre pension to pay the bills for a year whilst I was recovering.
Since the Brexit referendum I have certainly woken up to what is going on in Europe, I'm sure many people have. I don't wish to sound melodramatic but the cancer of the Euro and the top heavy administration seems doomed to destroy the European union. Italy has debts it will never be able to repay and Germany, the strongest European economy, is now in recession, dragged down by the weaker economies in Europe.
Without doubt there are many good things, standards and human rights, to have come out of Europe but nothing the British people could not adopt and even improve upon. History has proven us to be a tough resilient and resourceful bunch.
I'm sure we can get through the painful process and be all the better for it, after all what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
I voted for you and the Conservative party as those best placed to deliver on that democratic referendum result. I could understand the concerns and reasons for your leaving the Conservative party since. However, I can't help feeling betrayed by what seems to me a perfidious act of joining a party diametrically opposed to the wishes of that majority of your electorate. Now weakening the hand of your former allies on the government benches.
As for myself, I should add that my father was an ex Luftwaffe conscript POW. At the end of the second world war he opted to stay here and help rebuild the country. I still have family ties in Germany. My brother and other relations live in France and Spain. I'm no xenophobe and have many friends all over Europe and rejoice in our multi cultural society.
In my 40 plus years as a fisherman, I have struggled under the jackboot of the CFP. Had to stand by as more and more European boats were granted access to our waters and decimated our fisheries whilst we had to go elsewhere. Watched as once thriving fishing ports we visited fell into decline and British boats were decommissioned, cut up for scrap or burnt.
I am skipper of a Brixham registered beam trawler Carhelmar BM 23. The boat is managed by Interfish, a multi million pound company in Plymouth. In the run up to the referendum I was a bit ambiguous as to how I felt about it. On the one hand most of my career was under the disastrous CFP as I have stated. On the other hand most of our markets are abroad and I wasn't sure of the greater economic consequences. It wasn't until I met up with our company owner Jan Colam, himself of Dutch origin, that I was fully convinced of the long term benefits. He paid our expenses to join in the Brexit rally up the Thames to parliament. It was a long day and felt very good to grab the media's attention and deliver the message about how strongly we felt to the heart of remain town. Despite the likes of the Goldsmith financed lackey Bob Geldof trying to throw scorn on it.
Now I sense a golden opportunity and the chance to take control of the management of our bountiful but not infinite resource. There's hope of a real future for my son, all the other young people and future generations of British fishermen who want to make an honest living, putting food in people's mouths.
Of course there is a long tradition of European coastal countries having access to our waters and given a no deal Brexit, that would have to be negotiated, on our terms, giving Britain back the fair and proportionate share of the available resource quotas. Not just a few extra kilos in return for agricultural and trade concessions, as we saw going into the EEC.
This could be based on reciprocal swaps in appropriate fisheries with visiting boats having access subject to strict monitoring conditions, using something like the onboard REM camera systems we are trialling at the moment. Strict enforcement and landing conditions only in Britain where they can be monitored, like the Icelandic and Norwegian fisheries introduced, could see our fisheries that have been over exploited in the past recovering to abundant and sustainable levels, as theirs have. The technologies exist, together with modest outlay on fisheries protection vessels and a robust no compromise enforcement policy, I'm sure that visiting vessels would toe the line.
By getting our proper share, we could see already profitable fishing ports like Brixham, Newlyn, Plymouth and the Scottish ports doubling their income and thriving. That means an extra £1bn on catch alone. Then there's the added value from processing, another £4bn. Hardly insignificant sums.
The extra income generated could help finance more of our own scientific studies, expanding CEFAS to gather more comprehensive stock and environmental data. Along with landing and monitoring data, that could form the basis of realistic and sustainable effort control.
I'm sorry to have rambled on, I'm not normally given to diatribe but you have provoked this reaction from me and I couldn't let it go without letting you know how I feel. I can't blame you for doing what you think is best but this time it's at odds to what I, and I daresay many of your previous supporters, think you should do.
So I'm asking you, in the interests of fair democracy, please stand down as MP for Totnes and force a by-election. Then you can put your standpoint to the electorate and see if enough of your constituents still support your different position. That will give the Conservative party chance to field a representative more supportive of the PM's line, who we can vote for.
Personally, I think that us brexiteers should give Boris all the support we can, rather than diluting the Brexit effort into fringe parties. It's become apparent to me that to deal with the EU needs a tough no-nonsense approach of a hard negotiator. With a no deal Brexit a possibility the EU negotiators are much more likely to be more flexible on the other key issues. Hopefully, cometh the hour, cometh the man.
Thank you for all the good work you have done.
Regards, Gerald Podschies.
Dear Dr Sarah Wollaston,
Apologies for my last, I was writing it on my phone whilst on watch at sea and clumsy fingers on a little keypad sent it prematurely. I hope you have time to read this in full.
I was surprised at the content your latest email last night. Now the shock has worn off I am somewhat bemused.
I voted for you in the last general election, on the understanding that although you personally voted against Brexit you would honour the will of the majority as you said you would. As you know, 54% of your constituents who voted in the referendum voted for Brexit. Not one kind of Brexit or another, just Brexit. Nothing more nothing less.
In my life experience nothing really worth having has come without some effort self sacrifice and pain. I can't help likening the Brexit process to my cancer treatment 5 years ago. Like the British nation, I thought I was pretty healthy going into diagnosis and treatment. That 6 month process of getting rid of the cancer was long, painful and seemed interminable. In the end I am cured and life is good, even though I am having to work into my seventies, having used up my meagre pension to pay the bills for a year whilst I was recovering.
Since the Brexit referendum I have certainly woken up to what is going on in Europe, I'm sure many people have. I don't wish to sound melodramatic but the cancer of the Euro and the top heavy administration seems doomed to destroy the European union. Italy has debts it will never be able to repay and Germany, the strongest European economy, is now in recession, dragged down by the weaker economies in Europe.
Without doubt there are many good things, standards and human rights, to have come out of Europe but nothing the British people could not adopt and even improve upon. History has proven us to be a tough resilient and resourceful bunch.
I'm sure we can get through the painful process and be all the better for it, after all what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
I voted for you and the Conservative party as those best placed to deliver on that democratic referendum result. I could understand the concerns and reasons for your leaving the Conservative party since. However, I can't help feeling betrayed by what seems to me a perfidious act of joining a party diametrically opposed to the wishes of that majority of your electorate. Now weakening the hand of your former allies on the government benches.
As for myself, I should add that my father was an ex Luftwaffe conscript POW. At the end of the second world war he opted to stay here and help rebuild the country. I still have family ties in Germany. My brother and other relations live in France and Spain. I'm no xenophobe and have many friends all over Europe and rejoice in our multi cultural society.
In my 40 plus years as a fisherman, I have struggled under the jackboot of the CFP. Had to stand by as more and more European boats were granted access to our waters and decimated our fisheries whilst we had to go elsewhere. Watched as once thriving fishing ports we visited fell into decline and British boats were decommissioned, cut up for scrap or burnt.
I am skipper of a Brixham registered beam trawler Carhelmar BM 23. The boat is managed by Interfish, a multi million pound company in Plymouth. In the run up to the referendum I was a bit ambiguous as to how I felt about it. On the one hand most of my career was under the disastrous CFP as I have stated. On the other hand most of our markets are abroad and I wasn't sure of the greater economic consequences. It wasn't until I met up with our company owner Jan Colam, himself of Dutch origin, that I was fully convinced of the long term benefits. He paid our expenses to join in the Brexit rally up the Thames to parliament. It was a long day and felt very good to grab the media's attention and deliver the message about how strongly we felt to the heart of remain town. Despite the likes of the Goldsmith financed lackey Bob Geldof trying to throw scorn on it.
Now I sense a golden opportunity and the chance to take control of the management of our bountiful but not infinite resource. There's hope of a real future for my son, all the other young people and future generations of British fishermen who want to make an honest living, putting food in people's mouths.
Of course there is a long tradition of European coastal countries having access to our waters and given a no deal Brexit, that would have to be negotiated, on our terms, giving Britain back the fair and proportionate share of the available resource quotas. Not just a few extra kilos in return for agricultural and trade concessions, as we saw going into the EEC.
This could be based on reciprocal swaps in appropriate fisheries with visiting boats having access subject to strict monitoring conditions, using something like the onboard REM camera systems we are trialling at the moment. Strict enforcement and landing conditions only in Britain where they can be monitored, like the Icelandic and Norwegian fisheries introduced, could see our fisheries that have been over exploited in the past recovering to abundant and sustainable levels, as theirs have. The technologies exist, together with modest outlay on fisheries protection vessels and a robust no compromise enforcement policy, I'm sure that visiting vessels would toe the line.
By getting our proper share, we could see already profitable fishing ports like Brixham, Newlyn, Plymouth and the Scottish ports doubling their income and thriving. That means an extra £1bn on catch alone. Then there's the added value from processing, another £4bn. Hardly insignificant sums.
The extra income generated could help finance more of our own scientific studies, expanding CEFAS to gather more comprehensive stock and environmental data. Along with landing and monitoring data, that could form the basis of realistic and sustainable effort control.
I'm sorry to have rambled on, I'm not normally given to diatribe but you have provoked this reaction from me and I couldn't let it go without letting you know how I feel. I can't blame you for doing what you think is best but this time it's at odds to what I, and I daresay many of your previous supporters, think you should do.
So I'm asking you, in the interests of fair democracy, please stand down as MP for Totnes and force a by-election. Then you can put your standpoint to the electorate and see if enough of your constituents still support your different position. That will give the Conservative party chance to field a representative more supportive of the PM's line, who we can vote for.
Personally, I think that us brexiteers should give Boris all the support we can, rather than diluting the Brexit effort into fringe parties. It's become apparent to me that to deal with the EU needs a tough no-nonsense approach of a hard negotiator. With a no deal Brexit a possibility the EU negotiators are much more likely to be more flexible on the other key issues. Hopefully, cometh the hour, cometh the man.
Thank you for all the good work you have done.
Regards, Gerald Podschies.
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Been meaning to watch that for ages but always come across something else I wanted to watch first.
Worth watching Phil?
philw696
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Definitely worth watching in my opinion and make you're own opinions.
I was quite shocked to be honest as we live in scary times Dean.
Swedish Paul
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More likely that we will go back to a seasonal diet and I reckon society will be better for it. And of course, the average weight of people will probably drop back too.
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It’s all beginning to make sense now.
Brexit campaign bank rolled by Aaron Banks and his dubious Russian connections.
Brexit: No-deal plan threatens UK fuel plants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270
So we leave with no deal. We use WTO rules. Zero tariffs on incoming oil. The Russians fill that gap with glee.
We get cheap petrol for a bit then the push the prices up and the UK becomes Russia b*tch.
Well played Mr Putin. Well played indeed.
Brexit campaign bank rolled by Aaron Banks and his dubious Russian connections.
Brexit: No-deal plan threatens UK fuel plants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270
So we leave with no deal. We use WTO rules. Zero tariffs on incoming oil. The Russians fill that gap with glee.
We get cheap petrol for a bit then the push the prices up and the UK becomes Russia b*tch.
Well played Mr Putin. Well played indeed.
Wattie
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Shouldn’t this be in the conspiracy theories thread?