Brexit Deal

Wanderer

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It's stalemate because one mob want another referendum, another mob want a hard brexit another mob are willing to accept her idea.
Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.
Oh and that tit Corbyn is behaving like an arrogant rock star.
I thought that at first but now I think it was May trying to undermine him....
 

rockits

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They don’t want us to leave, they want to make an example of the UK to others contemplating doing so.
I agree they never wanted us to leave. The problem is they have rightly set their stall out day one and pursued that path.

What they didn't bank on was the woeful time eating idiots that has become UK politics as of today.

I took a contract job years ago for a guy (called Guy funnily enough) for part of The Mirror Group. I knew him from a few years back as he was an Apple Field Engineer and I his Service Manager for an Apple Dealer.

I turned up for the interview and he knew I was knowledgeable, experienced and good at my job. Interview last 30 secs in essence and he asked if I wanted the job. I took the job and it only dawned on me after a while that he wasn't a great engineer and one of my weakest out of circa 30-40 at the time. He was quite poor at his job and not there much. It made my job difficult to impossible due to his inability to do his job well.

My point is that it is hard to impossible to do a job well when part of the team or indeed the most important & visible part is doing such a poor job.

The EU didn't bank on us having such an inept or clueless PM. I dare say it is not just the PM of course as some of the team around her must be just as inept. She is the face and PM so must take the flack and rightly so.

Surely we should have done something about this month's if not years ago as someone knew somewhere that the strategy was all wrong. Dominic Cummings knew as did many others. Respect to May that she stepped up to the plate and stuck to her guns. She's needed some decent help and doesn't seem to have had it.

I don't agree with the strategy around May's last ditch attack on MP's last night as that won't help her. However maybe I actually agree with the sentiment. Very few have really helped or come to the front to deal with it in a better way. All we have is this constant playground bickering and back stabbing of almost childlike behaviour.

These are academically educated and estute people.....or supposedly. The best political minds we are supposed to have in our country. Is this really the best we can do? I find it demoralising and a sad state of affairs.

It just needs someone with some common sense and some balls to step up and do what is required. I think we have over complicated things. The people voted leave (rightly or wrongly) so just do your job and make it happen. There is no need to over complicate it & whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. Just do your job.
 

Nibby

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Incorrect, she said 108 times we are leaving on 29th and that “no deal is better than a bad deal”
She was lying to the nation.

shes fanned because of the course of action she has taken- surrendered to E.U. demands which left us without a position to negotiate
Her position with the EU hasn't been helped by some MP's trying to put a spanner in the works of Brexit though, it just made the EU more brazen.
Everyone keeps slagging Theresa May off so what current MP would've been better to accommodate both sides?
It's a poison chalice for the poor cow.
 

Wattie

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I agree they never wanted us to leave. The problem is they have rightly set their stall out day one and pursued that path.

What they didn't bank on was the woeful time eating idiots that has become UK politics as of today.

I took a contract job years ago for a guy (called Guy funnily enough) for part of The Mirror Group. I knew him from a few years back as he was an Apple Field Engineer and I his Service Manager for an Apple Dealer.

I turned up for the interview and he knew I was knowledgeable, experienced and good at my job. Interview last 30 secs in essence and he asked if I wanted the job. I took the job and it only dawned on me after a while that he wasn't a great engineer and one of my weakest out of circa 30-40 at the time. He was quite poor at his job and not there much. It made my job difficult to impossible due to his inability to do his job well.

My point is that it is hard to impossible to do a job well when part of the team or indeed the most important & visible part is doing such a poor job.

The EU didn't bank on us having such an inept or clueless PM. I dare say it is not just the PM of course as some of the team around her must be just as inept. She is the face and PM so must take the flack and rightly so.

Surely we should have done something about this month's if not years ago as someone knew somewhere that the strategy was all wrong. Dominic Cummings knew as did many others. Respect to May that she stepped up to the plate and stuck to her guns. She's needed some decent help and doesn't seem to have had it.

I don't agree with the strategy around May's last ditch attack on MP's last night as that won't help her. However maybe I actually agree with the sentiment. Very few have really helped or come to the front to deal with it in a better way. All we have is this constant playground bickering and back stabbing of almost childlike behaviour.

These are academically educated and estute people.....or supposedly. The best political minds we are supposed to have in our country. Is this really the best we can do? I find it demoralising and a sad state of affairs.

It just needs someone with some common sense and some balls to step up and do what is required. I think we have over complicated things. The people voted leave (rightly or wrongly) so just do your job and make it happen. There is no need to over complicate it & whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. Just do your job.
Good analogy,
20 MP’s resigned (leavers) because of the course of action she was taking.....months ago.
They told her in no uncertain terms that what she was doing was wrong. She ignored them all and they resigned as a result....look at the resignation letters I posted earlier in the thread , Johnson, Davis, Raab etc. Look them up online!
Last week she announced that she had secured legal changes to her deal on live Tv......the attorney general then confirmed she hadn’t!
Wtf is going on.....it’s gotta be an ‘Inside Job’.
 

Wattie

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Her position with the EU hasn't been helped by some MP's trying to put a spanner in the works of Brexit though, it just made the EU more brazen.
Everyone keeps slagging Theresa May off so what current MP would've been better to accommodate both sides?
It's a poison chalice for the poor cow.
She’s poisoned the chalice.
 

Oneball

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Surely I'm thick, if we are accepting the EU deal, then we don't need an extension! Non! Cos the deal is, you can have an extension if you accept the deal! Confused.com

If the deal is accepted by Parliament (which can’t happen until next week) there won’t be time before the 29th to pass the relevant laws to let it happen hence the extension.

There is also now very little time to repeal the “Brexit act” so we’re still leaving next week.
 

MaserCoupe

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Who wanted this in 2016?........
Who voted for this in 2016?...........
Who set out the redlines and why?
Who triggered article 50?
What did the country expect would happen?
What would you have done differently?
Oooopsy!
 

MaserCoupe

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Not been helped by some MPs not accepting the result though has it?

Who hasn’t accepted the vote and why?
Which MP hasn’t accepted the vote and more importantly why? What has changed? What do we know that’s different? What do they know that we don’t?

Does the country need a national conversation? Is the country in need of one? Have we had one? Have we moved forward since the referendum? Are we (as a country) having an identity crisis? Is anyone actually listening (and taking on board) to each other or just hearing?

What makes the individual think they’lll be happier by leaving or staying. Are you going to feel “free’er” by leaving or staying and why? What motivated the individual to vote the way they did? Will the individual feel “free’er” or “happier” on March 29th or June whenever? Is that going to change your life?

So many questions and do people actually care enough about it and why?
 
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philw696

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Who hasn’t accepted the vote and why?
Which MP hasn’t accepted the vote and more importantly why? What has changed? What do we know that’s different? What do they know that we don’t?

Does the country need a national conversation? Is the country in need of one? Have we had one? Have we moved forward since the referendum? Are we (as a country) having an identity crisis? Is anyone actually hearing (and taking on board) each other or just listening?

What makes the individual think they’lll be happier by leaving or staying. Are you going to feel “free’er” by leaving or staying and why? What motivated the individual to vote the way they did? Will the individual feel free’er or happier on March 29th or June whenever? Is that going to change your life ?
So many questions and do people actually care enough about it and why?
What a Great post.
Fire away guys.
I Love the freedom of movement and being able to choose to live with my European partner and be able to drive a Jaguar here in France.
 

Wattie

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Who hasn’t accepted the vote and why?
Which MP hasn’t accepted the vote and more importantly why? What has changed? What do we know that’s different? What do they know that we don’t?

Does the country need a national conversation? Is the country in need of one? Have we had one? Have we moved forward since the referendum? Are we (as a country) having an identity crisis? Is anyone actually hearing (and taking on board) each other or just listening?

What makes the individual think they’lll be happier by leaving or staying. Are you going to feel “free’er” by leaving or staying and why? What motivated the individual to vote the way they did? Will the individual feel free’er or happier on March 29th or June whenever? Is that going to change your life?

So many questions and do people actually care enough about it and why?
So Sherlock I wonder where it went wrong?....and the Head remainer was?55450
 

GeoffCapes

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I've just realised Wattie is actually Jacob Rees-Mogg.

He does't live in the country, he earns his money outside of the country, and stands to benefit if we leave.

Either that or he's a plant from Cambridge Analytica as why else would someone who would not be affected by us staying spend so much time arguing that we would be better off leaving?
Do you spend your time on various forums around the UK posting the same?

#confusedastowhyyouaresoconcernedwithBrexitwhenyoudontlivehere
 

MaserCoupe

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So Sherlock I wonder where it went wrong?....and the Head remainer was?View attachment 55450
Yes and? Although Wattie she did put two apparently competent hard line Brexiteers and proponents of leave in charge of a critical role which they both screwed up big time and failed. One logged a total of four hours in the job then resigns knowing his plan was unworkable while the second only just realised the importance of Dover to trade so resigns and says he doesn’t like the backstop? Talk about washing your hands for the mess the Brexiteers created..:D
 

Wattie

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I've just realised Wattie is actually Jacob Rees-Mogg.

He does't live in the country, he earns his money outside of the country, and stands to benefit if we leave.

Either that or he's a plant from Cambridge Analytica as why else would someone who would not be affected by us staying spend so much time arguing that we would be better off leaving?
Do you spend your time on various forums around the UK posting the same?

#confusedastowhyyouaresoconcernedwithBrexitwhenyoudontlivehere
“He does't live in the country, he earns his money outside of the country, and stands to benefit if we leave”
So you’ve run out of arguments then. Jacob Rees- Mogg? Has he got a wife like mine?
I don’t live in the country, in fact I’ve been an expat for 16 of the last 19 years.
10years in the Middle East,
3years in Cyprus where I lived and witnessed the EU bail in (steal) the nations deposit savings from those citizens that were successful. Look it up it’s now law and the blueprint for the next crisis.

3 years when we moved back to the UK to have our daughter, Bath, beautiful UK place, but grey and VERY wet and we struggled to adjust. I execrcised my democratic right to vote as I was entitled to.Brexit didn’t stand a chance apparantly. With my knowledge and experience of the Eurozone I voted to leave as I believed it was the best thing for the country and my 2 older kids (24 and 22 yrs/ family that remain there.

We hated the weather and decided before the result it wasn’t for us that we’d move to a place I’d owned for 8 years but never spent a night in. Gold Coast Oz.

Been is Oz for 3 years come July.

Lots of financial assumptions Geoff,
I have significant UK assets, Pension, Bath Property subject to exchange rates., savings etc I also own the house in Cyprus.
i’m not all about the money...unlike your previous posts where you believe people vote on financial status, not principal.

Shame really, I have more pride and belief in Great Britain than most that live their. i’ve seen the EU act first hand.
Don’t make assumptions about me, if we stay the exchange rate will soar in AUD. Perhaps, now knowing these fact you can explain to the forum how I will benefit if we leave.